SS Artillerie visor hat?

[TrondK]

Could it be a Eastern volunteer cap, ROA etc and some ignorant person has placed SS insignia on it to "raise the value"?

I find this cap very interesting, and i would really like to have it in my humble collection- but i like everything that are out of the ordinary.

[Dimas]

Eastern volunteers did not have own hat, and even this will be one of them, it would be one of the not a cheap visors in this area. The hat did not have any other holes on the band from the previous insignia, just a place with holes matched to the scull. The hat seems to be early 1940's by production

[TrondK]

I only try to look at your cap from another angle. I searched thru my pics after i wrote the post- but i sadly didnt find anything useful so could help you.

[Dimas]

Here is some better pictures of the hat, and picture of the Deschler's scull, which will fit to the holes on the hat

[Dimas]

I only try to look at your cap from another angle. I searched thru my pics after i wrote the post- but i sadly didnt find anything useful so could help you.

Agreed, any thoughts and discussions are welcome!

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Kirchheim unter Teck is east of Stuttgart. The hat looks pretty good to me, really. The "colored pipes" I owned, and which ended up with Paul Sack, was not dissimilar, i.e. a tailor made cap of similar vintage.

I sold it.

[stonemint]

The maker of the hat is Alfred Valet of Bad Cannstatt, who utilized the Pekuro Stirndruckfrei system under license (Albert Schnitzer would be the distributor). Obviously, with regard to a color-piped visor, any anomaly makes a hat immediately suspect, and that is going to affect value/re-sale.

While grommets did exist on military visors, they are very rarely seen, and the concern that will be raised is that it is a re-worked civilian cap (ie, feuerschutzpolizei).

That being said, based on these limited pics, the pleats look good.

[stonemint]

Dimas, what is the actual color of the piping--is it artillery red?

[youthcollector1]

Dimas, what is the actual color of the piping--is it artillery red?

Or red-orange Calvary? I can't tell if its just the sunlight in the last photograph.

[Dimas]

It's a artillery red, and actually there no traces of the rebuilding, practically all of the sweatband's wool connection band is moth damaged, but there no repeated holes on the visor - sweatband etc from the previous stitchings, and it's a machine stitching, not a imitation