As Friedrich-Berthold points out, these caps were not only worn by the LAH but by other SS groups. The SA also had a brown version.
I have included an image of members of Politische Bereitschaft Wurttemburg in the winter of 1933/34 having fun with their kraetzchen. (Also note the NCOs' grey field caps being worn 5 years prior to the date some would have you believe they were introduced.)
Period photographs show these caps to be more likely to have resembled the soft, floppy example posted in post #3. There was a slightly stiffer version produced, (the one seen in Riefenstahl's fillm), but the shape is significantly different to the example shown. As has been pointed out the materials and stamps are really not appropriate for the this period.
I know of only one example that was likely to be genuine. It was in the US and had red material behind the skull. It disappeared from view about 40 years ago I have no knowledge of its whereabouts now.
A few years ago I did a series of pamphlets on the early hats. Do feel to PM me your email address if you would like me to send a PDF of the one on the kraetzchen.
d'alquen
Thanks for your excellent research and worthy contribution to this site.
In the old armies ( that is, prior to their end in 1918-1919) there existed a garrison version of the Kraetzchen, as well as the field version (see illustration), as was the case for peaked caps for officers and such. The garrison version was rigid more or less.
Thanks again to d'Alquen for the kind aid.
Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 11-24-2011 at 05:29 PM.
Thread moved here due to consensus of the hat being a fake (and sadly, possibly a re-worked visor at that).
“Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”
Thanks. I am not sure that said cap is re made, but it surely appears thus to me, no harm meant to Mr. Hayes or to anyone else. I surely do not want to harm his property.
Maybe I should buy his black officer's cap. I got one like it from Manion in 1978, too, truth be told, in fact absolutely identical. I have many hats of that type, though. It is a weakness of mine, as you mentioned with chin cords and peaks....a weakness.
Someone should show us the brown SA Kraetzchen mentioned by colleague d'Alquen, as that would be intriguing. The whole Ausbildungswesen uniform of the SA is a topic in its own right, with a strong link to the SSVT via leading personnel.
I have not seen an SA Kratzchen, even in photographs--that would be a treat.
Continuing on with the history of the Kratzchen, it is correct that they have their origin in the Imperial (Kaiserreich) era, and were the equivalent of the Schiffchen of later years. They are really just a schirmmuetze without a visor.
The SS drew inspriation from the Leib-Husaren Regiments as such:
“Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”
I can only conclude that Mr.Wilson based his description of said hats on similar examples to the ones shown here already i.e. not authentic ones. I have every respect for book authors and the hard work it takes but frankly, anyone who uses this language "Allgemeine-SSrzm tags issue caps" still has a lot more studying to do and maybe shouldn't have rushed to get the book published.
Last edited by BenVK; 11-24-2011 at 08:38 PM.
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