Waffen SS Pioneer's Schirmütze?

[Renson]

Hi everybody,

I'am new here and know nothing about visors.
Hopefully you can help me out guys.
Is this a authentic visor ?

Thanks !!

[M18922]

Hopefully my small knowledge on caps is enough to decipher that this cap is not a period piece. It lacks quality, the piping is not on properly. The cap band doesent seem proper either, as it is lumpy and that is a tell tale sign of a fake.

Though I would wait for more members who are more experienced with caps to give there oppinion aswell, I could well be wrong.

Regards, Patrick

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi, and welcome to the forum!

The cap is indeed a fake.

Cheers, Ade.

[BenVK]

Complete fake from top to bottom.
Well done Pat!

[BOB COLEMAN]

Hello Renson-
Welcome to our Forum. Genuine branch piped SS caps are a real rarity. In all of my years collecting, I have only seen three. When a thread starts out referring to a branch piped SS cap, it is a natural assumption that it will be fake. Besides the flaws pointed out by my colleagues, the cap has a vinyl sweatshield which is a material never used during the 3rd Reich era.
If you were judging ten branch piped SS caps for authenticity, eleven would be fake.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Compare to these items.

[Bill T]

Hello Renson, welcome to the forum.

Pat, I'm impressed. Well done with your explanation.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Young Patrick is an able student of our interest and reveals the potential for good with this medium versus its general abuse.

[M18922]

Thank you friends, you are all too kind. Thank you for all the help, I am slowely becoming a bit more autonomous with caps. I am lucky to have original caps to study, and a nice selection of books. I should get D.Beavers book on SS headgear but I havent got round to it yet. It is also excellent that there is countless of original material shown from Friedrich and the wonderous help from our cap mods. A big Bravo to them

Cheers, Patrick

[colt45]

got this pioneer back in 70.....