Waffen SS Schirmmütze authentication required

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 10-15-2015, 02:34 AM

I own more than one SS peaked cap, and generalize from my own decades of collecting, more or less since the 1960s. My senior colleagues here have collected these
since the 1950s.

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Here is a real one, one Shea's site. It was mine until I sold it to him....

HG-43a Private Purchase Waffen SS Officer Visor Cap

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 10-15-2015 02:34 AM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**avenger** · 10-15-2015, 02:37 AM

There are few if any people I've had the pleasure of reading posts from whose opinion on SS visors I'd value more than Stonemint and FB. I know the pain of discovering a valued treasure is fake is a blow, but you can take their word with a great deal of confidence, and compare to the examples posted here on the forum to discover the details of what's off. From there, post your thoughts and comparisons and I'm sure they'll be happy to help guide the learning process when you show the effort.

Again, sorry to hear about this one.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 10-15-2015, 02:38 AM

The use of maker's logos was permitted only in early 1941, not one bit before.

You will note that officer's grey peaked caps were no longer on the SS price list by 1942.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 10-15-2015, 02:39 AM

Here is the grey officer's cap in late 1940, as listed in the Kleiderkasse SS.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 10-15-2015, 02:41 AM

The cap I enclose above came from a very experienced SS collector, and its interior is unmarked.

**Gwar** · 10-15-2015, 02:41 AM

Sorry.. Being purchased 20 years ago doesn't erase fake... G

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 10-15-2015, 02:45 AM

The Shea Beaver book on headgear has a number of images of grey caps in their variety.

Amazon.com: The Collector's Guide to Cloth Headgear of the Allgemeine and Waffen-SS: (9780764332302): Michael D. Beaver, William Shea: Books

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 10-15-2015, 02:49 AM

The Wim Saris books from Bender are also a very useful source for this topic.

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I shall leave the issue to the inquiry of others.

**BOB COLEMAN** · 10-15-2015, 03:55 AM

Stonemint and FB have both given you detailed reasons the piece is bad. The insignia is also reproduction. These things can be easily spotted with experience. Stonemint, FB, Wagriff and myself have close to 200 years of collecting experience. We will all admit that we are still learning. It is not always easy to learn your treasure is not what you thought it was. However, study the threads FB posted and you will see that this is a classic Janke, which is defrinetly post war. When you bought this hat 20 years ago, the cap was likely no more than a couple of years old.

**GeneralPutnam** · 10-15-2015, 05:08 AM

All I have to say is WOW! how disrespectful can a new member be, no please and thank you just demands.

Mr,Demandingimpatientpants needs to chill.

He came here to ask for our help.

Part of being on the site is accepting constructive criticism

we all have been burned in this hobby at some point its part of the territory.

Mr,Demandingimpatientpants maybe needs to take a step back or quit the site.

I admire you guys going the extra mile to provide info for this guy.

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