Early HJ membership badge: real or fake

**cricketchris1944** · 12-19-2010, 07:47 AM

can someone tell me if this is real or fake.

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 12-19-2010 07:47 AM

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**Adrian Stevenson** · 12-19-2010, 09:27 AM

Fake.

All you have to remember is the so called "coffin" shaped tab which holds the pin in place. Used on a whole range of fakes.

Cheers, Ade.

**Woolgar** · 12-19-2010, 01:38 PM

I agree, there are many of them around on all types of badges
Nick

**cricketchris1944** · 12-19-2010, 09:31 PM

by Adrian Stevenson

Fake.

All you have to remember is the so called "coffin" shaped tab which holds the pin in place. Used on a whole range of fakes.

Cheers, Ade.

Ade ,I just want to make sure any pins or badges with the coffin tab are fakes?

**Adrian Stevenson** · 12-19-2010, 09:41 PM

Hi Chris, that is correct, a coffin tab is the kiss of death. Sorry for the bad pun!

Cheers, Ade.

**cricketchris1944** · 12-19-2010, 09:55 PM

by Adrian Stevenson

Hi Chris, that is correct, a coffin tab is the kiss of death. Sorry for the bad pun!

Cheers, Ade.

Thank you Ade, that is some great info.It was given to me so no lost. I know why now.

**Woolgar** · 12-20-2010, 08:53 AM

Apart from the wrong pin plate the detail on the front of the badge is

Nick

**cricketchris1944** · 12-20-2010, 09:57 PM

Thank you guys for the info.

**PROF DR IVAN MILOVIC** · 12-21-2010, 08:52 PM

It is ``sand cast`` replica, i.e. Fake. To make shampleve enamel one needs espensive cast steel stamping tool to produce depressions where enamel powder is applied and then fired at very high temperature to melt into enamel (glass, in fact). Sand cast is cheap but leaves rough surface as seen in this badge. More dangerous are fakes made in hungary and poland. Once the enamel is fired the only ``coffin tab`` is applied with low temperature soldering with tin. So called ``hard soldering`` is impossible because the enamel would crack.
Ivan

**cricketchris1944** · 12-21-2010, 11:11 PM

by PROF DR IVAN MILOVIC

It is ``sand cast`` replica, i.e. Fake. To make shampleve enamel one needs espensive cast steel stamping tool to produce depressions where enamel powder is applied and then fired at very high temperature to melt into enamel (glass, in fact). Sand cast is cheap but leaves rough surface as seen in this badge. More dangerous are fakes made in hungary and poland. Once the enamel is fired the only ``coffin tab`` is applied with low temperature soldering with tin. So called ``hard soldering`` is impossible because the enamel would crack.
Ivan

This is very good stuff.Thank you for the info.