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01-09-2015 09:34 PM
# ADS
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a great set,need more pics please of the whole item.
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Man... I'm no expert but that looks like an awesome set!! Do you have the vet history as well? Don't see many Kreis flags around... seems it's mostly Ortsgruppe all over. Thanks for showing!
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slados28
Man... I'm no expert but that looks like an awesome set!! Do you have the vet history as well? Don't see many Kreis flags around... seems it's mostly Ortsgruppe all over. Thanks for showing!
This was an indirect private purchase from an area high end collector who wished to remain private and is disposing of a few flags in his WW2 Nazi collection. Because previously I had bought some more common Nazi flags I was given the first opportunity to purchase this excellent parade staff/flag configuration which I immediately did. I don't know the vet history although I have asked but doubt any will be provided.
I do not know for a fact this is a Kreis level parade flag. I have a SA political Kreis level armband with the same brown base color with light blue piping which made me think this flag also might be a SA Kreis level item. I need a knowledgeable flag collector to id this flag as to SA level and what the "4" represents.
John
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Thanks for the info! Like I said, I'm no expert but I was under the impression that SA flags had corner patches in black and that the ones with brown patches signified NSDAP --- like yours. I only have an Ortsgruppe NSDAP flag and limited knowledge beyond that so.... hope someone else will chime in.
I'm also pretty sure there's a good amount of reference photos of SA flags in this section which should help you out figuring this out.
The stamping also says D.R.G.M (Deutsches Reichsgebrauchsmuster) --- not D.R.G.V. Just a minor correction, it seems you had the correct general idea of its meaning either way.
M5/27 is for Rittinghaus & Co., Lüdenscheid according to what I could find. M5/5 is for Elsas & Bocks, Wuppertal-Barmen according to the same source. No idea about the illegible rzm marking...
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The trim around the corner patch appears to be light blue. It represents NSDAP Ortsgruppe 4 from Ansbach. A Kreis is one of a kind and would not have a number. NSDAP and the SA are completely different organizations. SA sturmfahne would have a corner patch with the base color of their Gruppe, which would match the color top of their kepis and the base color of their collar insignia. Although two SA Gruppe had black as their color, individuals often confuse black colored corner patches from NSBO flags with SA sturmfahne.
BOB
LIFE'S LOSERS NEVER LEARN FROM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.
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Great info --- thanks Bob! I was unsure about the color too but without having that info on Kreis I opted for it anyway thinking it was a "silverish" white... but now I know --- I also didn't know that they had corner patches colored according to insignia and cap piping color (the Gruppe's individual color) . Another lesson learned!
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Good to hear! And if you take the time to read Bob Coleman's post you'll realize there's no doubt about the color, simply because Kreis (white piping) would not have had had any numbers on the corner patch as they were each one of a kind. So that leave us with light blue in possibly some kind of metallic thread, there were none with "silver" as such, for Ortsgruppe, as already identified here and obviously by you on another forum or the like.
Nicely displayed btw! Love the meatball flags!
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