2 unmarked EK2

**stefanr** · 06-11-2012, 08:39 PM

First one, any idea of maker?

Second one

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 06-11-2012 08:39 PM

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**Adrian** · 06-11-2012, 09:48 PM

The first one is a Deumer, the second is looking like a Brehmer.

**stefanr** · 06-11-2012, 09:59 PM

by Adrian

The first one is a Deumer, the second is looking like a Brehmer.

Now that would make my day, not that I'm too fussy, just like to know for framing.

**Woolgar** · 06-12-2012, 08:14 AM

Nice crosses Stefan, particularly the Deumer !

Nick

**stefanr** · 06-12-2012, 11:55 AM

by Woolgar

Nice crosses Stefan, particularly the Deumer !

Nick

Cheers Nick.

The first one, the Deumer was awarded to Oberleutnant (Wilhelm) Schöttle serving with Flak Regiment 25 (some eagle eyes may have spotted this one for sale).

Looks like he was originally a serving Romanian and then served on the Eastern Front and Sudetenland with the Flak Regiment.
There is also a Commandant Wilhelm Schöttle SS Oberleutnant 11, might be the same person?

Picture removed as not the same person.

**Adrian** · 06-12-2012, 01:04 PM

Where are you buying it from Stefan? Is the provenance from the seller?

**stefanr** · 06-12-2012, 01:27 PM

by Adrian

Where are you buying it from Stefan? Is the provenance from the seller?

Brought from Klaus Butschek, he got a family lot and split them some of the purchases can be seen here as well as on his site.

He was awarded the Romanian Faithful Service Cross amongst others and a little searching uncovered his other rank, if it is the same person.

**Adrian** · 06-12-2012, 02:52 PM

Always a shame to see a grouping split up but I guess it's nothing new. All of our pieces were once a grouping at some point.
At least his EK2 went to a good home. Is Klaus able to supply you with any photocopies of documents to keep the provenance with the medal?

**stefanr** · 06-12-2012, 03:01 PM

by Adrian

Always a shame to see a grouping split up but I guess it's nothing new. All of our pieces were once a grouping at some point.
At least his EK2 went to a good home. Is Klaus able to supply you with any photocopies of documents to keep the provenance with the medal?

Not sure, I'll fire off an email.

**stefanr** · 06-12-2012, 06:59 PM

by Adrian

The first one is a Deumer, the second is looking like a Brehmer.

Can anyone confirm that the second is a Brehmer. Although I'm happy with Adrian's view and know it's difficult, sometimes to tell a maker.

Plus going back to Oberleutnant (Wilhelm) Schöttle.

If he was indeed promoted to Commandant Wilhelm Schöttle SS Oberleutnant 11 with a Panzer division in Kampfgruppe Normandy...

stupid question, but am I correct in thinking that he was an SS officer? if so, a Commandant or Oberleutnant or both?