EK1 Round -3 + box

[Eisernes Kreuz 2]

I would like to show you this cross Round -3 fame type 1 EK1
I just got a collector friend (thanks Jelle)
the painting very nice almost perfect
What do you think about the piece ?

[Adrian]

Nice cross Sanya, who is the reverse hardware attributed to?

[harryamb2]

nice set.

[roger9344]

Very nice cross and box. Congratulations!

[big ned]

Nice cross Sanya, who is the reverse hardware attributed to?

Hi Adrian,

It appears identical to the set up seen on early 'Short Pin' Deschler DK's and the spangen to the Great War EK1. They are known to have used it on the '39 EK1 as well.

Regards, Ned.

[Eisernes Kreuz 2]

Hí Adrian
Yes Ned is right
I also know how to make Deschler
but not confirmed
I once read a theory that the producers were all round 3 Deschler including EK1
quote

""""EKII Round 3, a maker mystery soon solved?
Never bought the old theory that Deschler made all the 4 standard Round 3's. It is based on the "Deschler hole" found in all versions in the framehump where the jumpring attaches. Too much differs in the frames imo, why have 4 different dies to make the same type of cross? Started to look at the cores instead and found some interesting similarities in all of them. Pics are not the best, paint job and die wear differs and only have one of each R3 version to compare with. Some similarities can not be seen in the pics, a loupe is needed, but they are there.

1. Between the 1 and the 9 there is a edge, it's like the 9 is put "on a base". The hardest one to make out is the 'Thick' because of very thick paint on this cross.

2. A hump on the forehead of the first 9. It looks bigger on some of the versions. Probably a die wear flaw that expanded over time.

3. "Double edge" inside the curves on the 3 and 9's. Best seen in the center of the 3. Hard to explain this, but it's seen on all versions.

4. A hump or connection between the 3 and last 9. This is only seen on 3 of the versions, again a die wear flaw.

Tried to remember any standard crosses with those similarities but drew blank, someone else can point them out maybe?

One that shows most differencies from the others is the 'swaz on base' version. That one i believe is a remade die. One guess is that these really are by the same maker and that logically it should be Deschler but why have the same cores and not the same frames? One maker could very well supply 3 other makers with cores too and at some time the die wore out and had to be remade, creating the "swaz on base" core version.


in pic are:
Deschler, top left
Thin, top right
Thick, bottom left
Swaz on base, bottom right """"""""""""""""""""

Nice cross Sanya, who is the reverse hardware attributed to?