FIrst and Second Class 1939 Spange

[Jp1916]

I would really appreciate some help with a First and Second Class Spange I have noticed for sale. The First Class I have seen discussed on the forum already but would appreciate some thoughts on its integrity, it does seem to have an unusual pin back.

And the Second Class

[harryamb2]

imo both look ok.

[rbminis]

Hello and welcome to the forum!
Please post your items separately.
Uploading photos and posting multiple items.
The EK I spange maker is unknown to me but the EK II spange appears to be a Duemer.
I would expect the EK II to be maker marked L/11 in roughly the middle. These have been accepted for quite some time but recently some collectors have stated they do not like the maker's mark. Many still accept them.
Ralph.

[Jp1916]

Thanks Ralph. The EKII Spange doesn't have a makers mark. Would you suggest its still ok?

[rbminis]

Thanks Ralph. The EKII Spange doesn't have a makers mark. Would you suggest its still ok?

Yes, I believe it is okay but after reviewing your photos again, I do not really like the EK I spange.
Best wait for other opinions.
Ralph.

[CMSgt]

The EKI is a raptor fake (notice the straight shoulder on left side looking from back). Jim

[harryamb2]

did not notice that fault.

[rbminis]

did not notice that fault.

That is what I based my opinion as well Harry.
Ralph.

Yes, I believe it is okay but after reviewing your photos again, I do not really like the EK I spange.
Best wait for other opinions.
Ralph.

[Jp1916]

Thankfully I gave the Raptor a wide birth as I was suspect of its integrity myself.