Two Eisernes Kreuz II Klasse

**enni** · 10-25-2010, 01:37 PM

Hello! Here are two crosses, I bought on Saturday. enni

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 10-25-2010 01:37 PM

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**fabri** · 10-25-2010, 02:02 PM

Hello
nice crosses

I 'm not sure but I think both are Brehmers.

**Adrian** · 10-25-2010, 05:04 PM

Enni,
Are either of these crosses marked? They both look the same to me and neither look like Brehmer.......?

** EDIT**

Just saw the sellers pics and I apologise, the '13' is marked. I'm amazed how different the same cross looks in different lighting! No question that it's a Brehmer (from the sellers photos of course!)

**enni** · 10-26-2010, 08:28 AM

by fabri

Hello
nice crosses

I 'm not sure but I think both are Brehmers.

Hello! My suspicion is, that the second cross is not Brehmer. When I compared them, they do not resemble each other. Dimensions are different jump ring fixing. Maybe it is not Steinhauer & Lück but I guess, that it is not Brehmer.enni

**fabri** · 10-26-2010, 11:46 AM

Hello enni, during the 5 years of war, crosses were not produced all really identical. Dimension and jump ring fixing are not so important to recognize a manufacturer.
If you want do it you need to compare dates and frames, especially the corners. Your unmarked cross is not a Steinhauer & Luck, there are no important point in common with an S&L.
IMO that cross match with a Brehmer. Sometimes could be better have in hands but by pics this is my thought.

**enni** · 10-26-2010, 12:44 PM

by fabri

Hello enni, during the 5 years of war, crosses were not produced all really identical. Dimension and jump ring fixing are not so important to recognize a manufacturer.
If you want do it you need to compare dates and frames, especially the corners. Your unmarked cross is not a Steinhauer & Luck, there are no important point in common with an S&L.
IMO that cross match with a Brehmer. Sometimes could be better have in hands but by pics this is my thought.

Hello Fabri! Thank you for your responding, you have a lot more experience. enni

**Adrian** · 10-26-2010, 05:33 PM

Enni, perhaps you could post the seller's photos?

**enni** · 10-26-2010, 06:39 PM

by AdrianC

Enni, perhaps you could post the seller's photos?

Hello Adrian! I also thank you for your answers ! Is there a need for better pictures of both crosses ? enni

**Adrian** · 10-26-2010, 07:12 PM

by enni

Hello Adrian! I also thank you for your answers ! Is there a need for better pictures of both crosses ? enni

I made the suggestion to show how different the cross looks from the sellers photos and to highlight how different lighting can make the world of difference when it comes to hiding/showing details.