Help needed with translation of wehrpass to karl junker

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 10-19-2012, 02:27 AM

A very powerful and eloquent document about war's reality and the history of Europe in its most fundamental sense.

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 10-19-2012 02:27 AM

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**tempelhof** · 10-19-2012, 02:50 AM

"Translation is an art."

... a fact often lost in the performance of same.

it is not enough to convert the meaning of a word in one language to its meaning in another. the idea conveyed in the original must be conveyed in the second language as a speaker in that language would express it.

**DUJAILAH** · 10-19-2012, 08:19 AM

by tempelhof

nothing to add per se, but this is a very interesting WP to me being issued after death and carrying in the place of a signature, a notation to see information about his death on "page 34".

the photo must have been pulled from a file or perhaps duplicates of original photos were always maintained for this purpose. the photo taken from records, the information entered into the WP all taken from records... and all done after death.

Hi tempelhof, Wehrpasses were sent to the next of kin after the death of a soldier. I think the photo probably came from the Wehrstammbuch as I've seen some with spare photos paper clipped to them. Also the info for the reconstruction of the Wehrpass would have come from the Wehrstammbuch,

Cheers,

Richard.

**DUJAILAH** · 10-19-2012, 08:22 AM

Thanks to all. I'm glad I've started an interesting discussion with this WP

Junkers is a bit of a favourite in my collection

**Paul D** · 10-19-2012, 08:42 AM

by DUJAILAH

Thanks to all. I'm glad I've started an interesting discussion with this WP

Junkers is a bit of a favourite in my collection

Excellent work Richard , a good example of what history can be gleaned from such a document

**Steinar** · 10-19-2012, 08:47 AM

Da steht, "das er bei dem Einsatz auf der Krim verloren ging".

It says, "he was lost at the use of the Crimea ( Krim )"

**tempelhof** · 10-19-2012, 02:08 PM

by Steinar

Da steht, "das er bei dem Einsatz auf der Krim verloren ging".

It says, "he was lost at the use of the Crimea ( Krim )"

Excellent. Thank you, Steinar!

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by DUJAILAH

Hi tempelhof, Wehrpasses were sent to the next of kin after the death of a soldier. I think the photo probably came from the Wehrstammbuch as I've seen some with spare photos paper clipped to them. Also the info for the reconstruction of the Wehrpass would have come from the Wehrstammbuch,

Cheers,

Richard.

Richard, thanks very much for posting. This was a very interesting thread for me. Especially this comment as to the reconstruction of the WP.

**DUJAILAH** · 10-19-2012, 05:45 PM

by Paul E

Excellent work Richard , a good example of what history can be gleaned from such a document

Thanks Paul

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 10-20-2012, 06:16 PM

by Steinar

Da steht, "das er bei dem Einsatz auf der Krim verloren ging".

It says, "he was lost at the use of the Crimea ( Krim )"

I am sorry but this reading of the text in the Wehrpass is incorrect.

The soldier and his id document were lost in battle on the Crimea, but the passage that explains the second issue of the id document refers to the document itself, and not to the soldier.
The details of the soldier's death in battle are contained elsewhere.
I have a long professional association with archives and German soldiers.