Absolutly disgusting

[greimers]

Well said DioMac !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[greimers]

Those "Japs" were well trained specialists, no different to the Australian Z Special Unit operatives (of which my Australian Grandfather-in-law was one) who successfully attacked Singapore Harbour under Japanese occupation on two occasions . Unlike the Japanese my German Father was allowed to immigrate to Australia where , as an Australian born to a German Father and an Australian Mother, I was subjected to the same ignorant racism. As an ex-Australian serviceman myself I know for a fact that we acknowledge, respect and pay tribute to servicemen regardless of Nationality.

[m3bobby]

Disgusting behaviour (robbing items from the subs).

Most likely the relics will go straight to some ruthless collector who may even have 'commisioned' the theft - I doubt such items will show up on the bay.

The stolen prop blades may have been made of some kind of bronze alloy made for naval use thus be in excellent condition, as they would have withstood the test of time well.

A very interesting thread - thanks for posting. I never heard about these before.

Danmark - great, that you were able to clarify the postition. As you quite correctly state, it doesnt detract an iota from story of the subs nor the thread.

Mini-subs are a fascinating subject - from the Hunley over Maiales to Chariots and now these.

I remember reading, that some of what was previously thought to be torpedoes dropped by Japanese planes durning the attack on Pearl, were in fact thought to be tracks from attacking mini-subs within the harbour itself. Fascinating, if true.

I'm sure it is true,


'The remains of a Japanese mini-submarine that participated in the Dec. 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor have been discovered, researchers are to report today, offering strong evidence that the sub fired its torpedoes at Battleship Row.

That could settle a long-standing argument among historians.

Five mini-subs were to participate in the strike, but four were scuttled, destroyed or run aground without being a factor in the attack. The fate of the fifth has remained a mystery. But a variety of new evidence suggests that the fifth fired its two 800-pound torpedoes, most likely at the battleships West Virginia and Oklahoma, capsizing the latter. A day later, researchers think, the mini-sub's crew scuttled it in nearby West Loch'

I think there is one of the captured examples on display somewhere on the island.

[Scout]

That the subs not only managed to get inside the harbour, but that that such a relatively humble vessel succesfully managedd to actually sink a much larger vessel such as a battleship is food for thought IMO.

[DioMac]

Those "Japs" were well trained specialists, no different to the Australian Z Special Unit operatives (of which my Australian Grandfather-in-law was one) who successfully attacked Singapore Harbour under Japanese occupation on two occasions . Unlike the Japanese my German Father was allowed to immigrate to Australia where , as an Australian born to a German Father and an Australian Mother, I was subjected to the same ignorant racism. As an ex-Australian serviceman myself I know for a fact that we acknowledge, respect and pay tribute to servicemen regardless of Nationality.

Indeed greimers!

I don't want to make an issue of this, but I've observed that the way this forum deals with sometimes offensive issues of the past is first class, and that ignorance has absolutely no place here. By collecting, we have a duty to preserve and remember what we collect, but not carry whatever grievances etc. of the past with it.

Every person visiting should not feel offended in any way based on his or her ancestry.

[geelong]

Sorry . dident no that term was wrong in this subject . im not that type of person in any way. but dont go down that path of calling or implying that i am a ignorant person. i am a first generation australian too,
but i will never complain about my ,or my parents treatment here. or on this forum. it is irrelevevant to this thread. it was just a term i used in relation to the subject. there will not be a next time but a pm would be more appropriate. befor any of you start to single me out. i will not have any more to say on this matter. thank you.

[geelong]

my sincere apology to all, if found offence to my term of this word. on this subject.

[mick coverdale]

RE autographs have a look at KRIEGSMARINE PLUS open list there are some listed from 1041 to 1061 post war signed Mick

[flak 18]

Is it wrong to call the British Brits or the Americans Yanks, or the Turkish Turks, or the Australians Aussies etc etc. So why would anyone take offence at the term used by Geelong ? Political correctness has gone too far...wake up and get a grip on reality...please !!!

[mick coverdale]

try KRIEGSMARINE PLUS Mick