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Re: Honor S.A Dagger.. good??
I feel the same... early parts dagger and the biggest sticker for me is Lehmanns entrance to the SA in 1930,,which he would of received his dolch in 1933-34. Why change an early blade to a late example. I am still not finished with this as I have seen the tang nut and upper crossguard engraved like this before and I will post a photo when i find as it is close at hand..its a matter of finding it.
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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05-02-2013 11:33 AM
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Re: Honor S.A Dagger.. good??
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Larry C
Uhmmmmmmmm...........this shows some promise but I will need alot of eyes on this one and research. What has me stumped is the all early period fittings with a Late period blade and I am almost sure Eickhorn did not produce 1939 blades with the squirrel logo. Such ornate work on the crossguards but yet the familair name of Max Lehmann is lacking in defined engraving. I am at work at the moment and do not have access to any of my reference material.
Jacob where did you get this photo? and I can not put a price on this type dagger until some of the collecting members here can dig into this. Im not liking the all early fittings with a possible repro Late Rzm Blade...... Thoughts?
thouse photos are from auction site... still 10 days left to the end and price is already 1700$
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Larry C
Here is a small bio on Max Lehmann, by an author named Bruce Campbelland his book.."The SA Generals and The Rise of Nazism, Lexington, 2004, pp. 64f.
Lehmann was the son of a burner. After attending elementary school he completed a commercial apprenticeship. In addition to this, he attended trade school and later a special school for textile industry .
As a participant in World War Lehmann lost an eye. He also received the Iron Cross 2nd Class .
At the time of the Weimar Republic Lehmann worked as a textile manufacturer. Between 1918 and 1930, Lehmann was, unusually for a man of his later career to any political or military organization. In September 1930, he finally joined the NSDAP in. In this he first took local administrative duties as coordinator of Nazi Factory Cells Organization true.
I am very grateful for the info about the owner of the dagger even if its fake one...
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Re: Honor S.A Dagger.. good??
William
"Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."
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Re: Honor S.A Dagger.. good??
I have also encountered through photographic reference as there are many of these SAs with variant type crossguard engravings and tang nut embellishments. The most common on the tang nut is the Swastika,,on another I have seen a sunburst.
It seems as though at least the upper crossguard was done by the same engraver,,as it is almost exact and would stand a chance at being authentic. Taking a peek inside the guards would help greatly.
The dagger posted by "ceies" crossguards look more shallow and has some ,,what looks like impurities in the left side of the guard,,,within the pattern.
The dedicated name "Max Lehmann" lettering looks to be more crude then the "Ernst Kraft" version. If this is from the same engraver due to the floral pattern then why the difference in depth, and floral design of the engraving.....these are some unanswered questions.
Not all personalized SA daggers like this one had the Damascus blade as this was an extra amenity for a price,,, but most widely seen on a high leaders dagger. IMO there is some authentic early period parts on here..whether it was parted together with other early parts..is unsure. The engraving leaves me a bit puzzled and the Late blade for sure.....IMO does not belong to it at all. No need to change an early plain blade to a late blade...unless some "Jacka**" broke it back then out of jealously. Just a story on my part but a possibility. The late blade looks authentic also...but together with early parts...Im not sure of. Anything could of happened back then or even recently. The lower guard engraving is not the best if it is the same engraver.
any other thoughts? Regards Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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Re: Honor S.A Dagger.. good??
I think it looks simply amazing... besides all the hair splitting *and what do I know). It looks real to me.
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Re: Honor S.A Dagger.. good??
Splitting hair is the fun and challenging part but sometimes......and I say sometimes,, the real truth lies behind that hair of doubt if any. Still IMO a parts dagger. Regards Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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Re: Honor S.A Dagger.. good??
I agree with Larry-a parts dagger that may well have some outright fake parts included as well. In any way you look at it, this piece has way too many "if's and maybe's" about it to invest any money into. There are far too numerous aspects of this dagger that I just don't feel right about. It Would have been a heck of a find, had it been straight through and through, but I have to say that in my opinion, it isn't.
William
"Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."
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