SA Giesen & Forsthoff
Hi all.
I was purchase this dagger now couple weeks ago and think what kind of opinion would have fellow WRF members.
Some of pictures is little bit wrong position how i take thoseI notice this web site turn pictures automatic, well next time will remember that while take pictures
Hi Allegie
Honestly I feel the top guard does not belong and would expect the accents grooves to be equal on both crossguards.
See this Melzer and Feller example that shows the same shallow depth as your example that you show.
On almost every early SA dagger producer there would be an equal depth in accent grooving.
I would be curious of the internal markings to prove it is a Thuringia produced dagger.
A comparison to the many SA threads within this sub forum should result in the same view in accent grooving.
Once I saw the top guard that looked alittle out of position the accent grooves were my next observations.
The dagger is all authentic early period yet the top guard for me has me skeptical and a purist.
I am critical on myself when searching out decent full bodied and unmessed with SA daggers and sometimes I walk away with empty hands because I will not settle for less.
Others may have different points of view in regards to the 2 types of grooving but conformity is a focus I like to stay disciplined with.
Regards Larry
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One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
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Hi Larry.
Yes i see what you mean on that. Before when purchase this dagger i notice it too when zoom pictures,
but at this moment i was just think it can be like wood just have move little bit when have dry at the time or something like that.
Didn't even think it can be like it was changed at some moment. Well and i can admit i am newbie on this hobby still.
It would be interesting to open it and see what it say at inside like you say, but for now i fear i can't do it becouse i do not have any decent tool how i can open tang nut without do any harms on it.
I would say ..since it appears to be loose you may be able to turn it with you thumb. If not leave it alone.
All of that dagger still represents the Third Reich period of the SA
Regards Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
I was already try open it with my thumbs after reading your's first message and not any movement on it.
It's also nice looking dagger after all and those holes is not so big so can't see those so easily while keep dagger on hand
Small upgrade to this thread.
I managet to open that tang nut with my fingers. Time to time when I had take this dagger out, I had try to make tang nut little bit more looser and now finaly get it.
Little by little I got it looser, or I'm just more stronger now than almost two years ago
Both guard is stamped P & A
Good to see that Piel & Adey Generic guards on this dagger.
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
Thank you Larry for response. I was happy to see matching pair of guards when I open it at yesterday.
There is a laundry list of producers that used those generic guards and Giesen was one of many
Some Chained SS daggers also !
Best Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
That's interesting. I had try to find that kind list of producers, but only list what I have is that where can see what kind stamps they use inside gross guard.
It would be nice to see that list, is it written to some book or can I find it just from internet?
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