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05-18-2013 09:52 PM
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Re: SS Dagger with Dual Maker Mark
Hi Ron...There are a few Red Flags that I see,,,#1..the motto looks almost printed on with smudging. The RZM for sure would of not let this one get out of the QC area in this condition. The last word "Treue"...looks to be a Boker SS form style font.
It is hard to tell what the crossguards are made of as the photos are lacking in detail. The grip looks very recent as the contour ridges are very sharp with some sanding on the lower obverse triangle front part of the grip. The tang nut looks Late RZM type. I have seen this dagger somewhere before due to the grip construction.
The logo is very rare and hardly seen,,but it is known as a Transitional maker. Currently information on the logo position is not available to me but the logo does look high up on the blade and off center. Being off center that much IMO is not current with other transitional logo placement.
As an SS dagger especially being an early Mid period type,,One would expect better craftmanship.
IMO this dagger would not be a good investment as it looks to be a parts dagger.
I would like to hear other opinions on this SS dagger also. Regards Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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Re: SS Dagger with Dual Maker Mark
I've never seen such crude and rough lettering and makers mark. Big Red Flag.... The grip nut looks to be almost totally plateless and much abused, but the rest of the parts look fine. And, for being a supposed Transitional model with both makers mark and RZM, there is no Distribution mark on the guard...? Definitely Not a dagger that I would want in my collection or invest money into.
William
"Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."
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Re: SS Dagger with Dual Maker Mark
Thanks Larry, I knew this was probably to good to be true. Glad I asked questions before I spent hard earned money.
Regards, Ron
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Re: SS Dagger with Dual Maker Mark
The hj knife is a fake
Dual marked Helbig SS daggers seem to be fakes from the 1960s?: Helbig Transitional SS Dagger - Need Opinions... - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums
Regards Mac 66.
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Re: SS Dagger with Dual Maker Mark
Hi Ron, thanks for those pics.
The HJ is post war.
As for the Helbig SS. It`s not a parts dagger. This is exactly how these were made.
If you take a magnet you will see that those guards are iron based. The eagle is high on the grip and the etching is terrible quality. Additionally it will require 2 hands to remove the blade from the scabbard because they are tight as can be. They also made SA`s that reflect these same attributes.
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Look in Witty`s reference and you will see this dagger pictured.
Some in the hobby do not like these and cast doubt on when they were produced.
The result is they are a very difficult sell so consider yourself warned.
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Re: SS Dagger with Dual Maker Mark
Hi Paul,,thank you for your Input as this maker is quite deceiving in appearance. Which after reading the 2 links you supplied leaves me quite surprised a Mid period transitional would come from the producer looking this way. Your right!!....this dagger and many others that follow behind it in this condition along with its SA counterpart,,,will be hard to believe. Gratefully I thank you for your eyes and your years of experience. I would have to call this dagger producer... "A Black Sheep Loner"....although genuine,,but shunned for its image. This one is definitely a shot in the arm for the purists. Thanks again Paul...Best Regards Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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Re: SS Dagger with Dual Maker Mark
But IMO I still think the grip is recent,,which doesnt match the condition of the dagger at all. JM3 cents
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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