SS Dagger serial number 127950?

**1944collector** · 11-28-2009, 02:01 PM

Hello Gentleman
Just acquired this SS dagger with a number on the cross guard.
Does anyone have a way to identify the SS man that owned it from his SS number.
Any and all information will be appreciated.
thanks
Michael

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 11-28-2009 02:01 PM

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**John Brandon** · 11-28-2009, 02:21 PM

Drop a line to Mike Constandy mjc@westmorelandresearch.org
Super chap, wealth of knowledge and reasonably priced (No its not free)

or try John P. Moore j.moore153@verizon.net another top guy

Tell him I told you

mind you, looking at the piece, it doesn't fit too well?

**Adrian Stevenson** · 07-08-2012, 05:55 PM

Hi Michael, I know this is an old thread now, but as I love named items, did anything come of getting this one researched?

Cheers, Ade.

**Larry C** · 07-09-2012, 04:37 AM

Is it me or in the 2nd photo the lower crossguard to blade shoulder fit,,is really bad!! I can actually see some of the lower tang and it should not be seen at all!! I dont remember seeing any Herder daggers having this poor fit,, let alone any early SS daggers. I would expect it more from the Late types. Larry

**theaussie** · 06-23-2017, 01:31 PM

Ade, Larry, 5 years is a long time for another reply but I've only just found this thread!

I think the cause of the poor fit is the result of much force being used to impress the original owner's membership number in to the disassembled cross-guard, which has resulted in it being distorted somewhat and therefore on reassembly it's not gone together very well.

Chris.

**Larry C** · 06-24-2017, 03:40 AM

by theaussie

Ade, Larry, 5 years is a long time for another reply but I've only just found this thread!

I think the cause of the poor fit is the result of much force being used to impress the original owner's membership number in to the disassembled cross-guard, which has resulted in it being distorted somewhat and therefore on reassembly it's not gone together very well.

Chris.

There have been many misfitted early daggers with bad shoulder fits..and none of them had any hammered numbers beneath the crossguard. The occurrence of beneath the cross guard SS number stampings are not highly common. How do we explain this ?

In this thread there is no proof of this crossguard being hammered down to create this gapping. There is no grip to guard photo to show a bent guard. Your theory is warranted

...but it is more common to see poorly fitted Late RZM daggers than precisely fitted early SA and SS daggers.

My thoughts would lean towards a saddle type attachment so as to prevent any bending during this hammering process...if the guard is totally removed from the grip....or maybe the grip was left on during the process as there is a crack that runs bottom right going up to the left of the grip.

Thoughts anyone ?

Regards Larry

**Wagriff** · 06-24-2017, 04:00 AM

The guard is a solid nickel one and I doubt much if tapping the numbers into it would result in this much distortion. To me, at least, from the poor grip to guard fit of the wood-along with the huge tang gap, I would lean towards someone swapping out the lower guard for one that had a number on it and had been salvaged from a wrecked piece.

**theaussie** · 06-24-2017, 10:23 AM

Well, we all have a view and that our prerogative! Mine remains as above that a heavy handed individual used a lump hammer to impress his (or his mate's) service number, hence what appears to be the flattening of the guard in the last photo and on reassembly thought bugger (and yes you did a right Charlie of a job)!!

Chris.