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01-05-2013 10:19 PM
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Re: Battle of the Bulge 1944 Relic Number 1
Adolf
Try putting it in a bucket of Oxalic for the day, you never know what may emerge. By the state of the corrosion, its will not be much so do not get excited. As regards the tar like splatter as you put it, its most likely just a chemical reaction to something in the soil or on the helmet.
They could have been dug anywhere
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Re: Battle of the Bulge 1944 Relic Number 1
A helmet with that much pitting and corrosion you'd be very lucky to find a trace of decals.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge 1944 Relic Number 1
This one, your right Gunny, not a chance, the other one may have remnants only. This one there may be a little paint left
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Re: Battle of the Bulge 1944 Relic Number 1
Good morning chaps
Thank-you for the feedback, much appreciated. I am very weary of using that acid everyone is talking about ... my liver is already in poor shape from way too many social events ! What type of business or institution would be able to do the acid bath for a customer ? I'd like to farm that task out if possible. Also, is "beeswax" known by any other name ? I want to pop into the hardware store to get some as I want to try to preserve the two helmets for proper display ... these old timers deserve to be treated with respect (as I have learned the hardway).
Have a super weekend guys
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Re: Battle of the Bulge 1944 Relic Number 1
Because Oxalic acid is sold in hardware stores for rust stain removal from cement paths, it only requires common sense in handling.
Acid granules into water ( NOT the other way round ) / a well ventilated ( outdoors ) area / gloves, eye / face protection & a filter mask is basic protection for any acid and it DOES work - not miracles but will clean a lot of the active rust off the shell. The 'orange paint' may well be residue of white winter paint changed colour because of the ferrous oxide ( red rust ) ..... you could be lucky!!!
Cheers, Dan
" I'm putting off procrastination until next week "
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Re: Battle of the Bulge 1944 Relic Number 1
Hi Dan
Thanks very much for the info, will make a trip to the hardware store and make certain I have ALL of the recommended safety items and preparations.
Kind regards
Adolf
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Re: Battle of the Bulge 1944 Relic Number 1
Adolf, DON'T get a ferrous phosphate rust convertor - the ones usually sold for de-rusting steel - as this will blacken the metal and put a white powder residue on the surface ......yechh!! ONLY the white granulated oxalic will not damage the metal or change it's colour. Just don't leave it too long and make sure the helmet is FULLY submersed or there will be a line at the water level if it is not.
Cheers, Dan
" I'm putting off procrastination until next week "
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Re: Battle of the Bulge 1944 Relic Number 1
Also, keep in mind that in the Ardennes ( as elsewhere in NW Europe ) 'ground dug' can also mean found on the ground eg in overgrown countryside, bushes, covered by dead leaves etc. Although claims can be dubious, I've been surprised myself by items which can still be found, admittedly off the beaten track, on the surface.
Nice-looking relic, BTW !
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Re: Battle of the Bulge 1944 Relic Number 1
Good evening all
Well, you live and you learn. I really wish that I had read all of the very helpful threads before starting the "restoration" of my Normandy Helmet. That said, all the talk of using a form of acid to remove surface rust and reveal paint / decal remenants really interested me. I was however very wary of using the acid as described due to the very serious health risks that such an endeavour posed. I approached someone who is a consultant in the vehicle manufacture (specifically vehicle paint) industry and asked about alternatives.
After sharing what I learned from this forum, he suggested that I simply using a form of "shock treatment" normally administered to swimming pools to achieve similar results as others have with their relic helmets. Obviously dubious, I decided to give it a go this evening using the helmet featured in this thread in a mid-sized storage bin and approx 175 grams of the pool acid. Stirred well and left the lid in for about 30 to 40 minutes. Removed the lid, washed well with tap water and then rubbed gingerly with a soft bath scrubbing sponge.
The helemt is still drying under a large fan at the moment, but on this very rusted and caroded lid some German Field-Gray paint remenants are showing through. I have even found decal remenants corrsponding with the single decal helmets. What is interesting is that the helmet appears to have been over-painted ... I get the feeling that it is this "top-layer" that protected the factory paint below. Strangely, my Normandy helmet also seemed to have the same "top-coat". It remained an orange colour despite cleaning so I would hazard a guess that it was that dirty-yellow used on the armoured vehicles (now stained by the soil).
I will post pics tomorrow once the helemt is fully dried and I have done another light scrub (without water). If this experiment works, I will be treating my second Ardennes relic to a similar bath and cleaning.
Regards
Andrew
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