Hj jfs

[yellow12]

Hello ,

this buckle arrived today .

Interesting the RZM tag different to others .

The 110 from maker is weak availebel on tag .

[Wilhelm Saris]

Tag is anyway a wrong form, as it is for cloth (A4).
Maybe they did not have others, who knows?

It also could be positioned by some wise guy!

[yellow12]

Hello Wim ,

in over 30 years i see some other buckles with such a tag .

Wy not , who knows ......

[Wilhelm Saris]

Yes, I know, but according to whatever the RZM-regulations, it was
wrong, as is also the color. There are various notes about this!

I also know dealer's put loose tags to various items in the early
1970's, probably while they did not know how regulations were!
And so "problems" were caused, that exist until these days.....

[yellow12]

Yes, I know, but according to whatever the RZM-regulations, it was
wrong, as is also the color. There are various notes about this!

I also know dealer's put loose tags to various items in the early
1970's, probably while they did not know how regulations were!
And so "problems" were caused, that exdist until these days.....

Hello Wim ,

the buckle comes with a small lot .

HJ badge and some sports awards and a Gebietsdreieck from Nordrhein out of a older women in

Mönchen Gladbach . Have bought the lot for 50 Euro .

[kirby]

There’s a bunch of M4/42 HJ buckles with this type tag. They are all within 20-40 digits of each other. Who knows when then tags were put on the buckles but most of the buckles are close to mint condition.

[Wilhelm Saris]

I had no comment on the buckle, but the blue tag.
Whatever was done, I don't care, it is not correct.

[Ben Evans]

One of the unknowns that maybe one day will get resolved

[Wilhelm Saris]

One of the unknowns that maybe one day will get resolved

With various occasions the RZM noted the use of wrong tags. With the 1938
manufacturing regulations the difference for red and blue was especially noted:


Red was for HJ; blue for the political organization and SA.

I have no time to go through the many pages for other announcements.

Grundsätzlich means: in principle. The RZM was aware the one or the
other manufacturer did not follow the procedures. The permission M4/110
for Feix was actually withdrawn with the date April 7, 1941. Later they got
it back (March 1942). Maybe the reason was the use of wrong tags. Maybe
it was for other reasons (imperfect manufacturing). This however was not
ever mentioned.

[Ben Evans]

Many thanks Wim, interesting facts and a plausible idea as to why