20. Juli 1944 Verwundetenabzeichen in Silber.

[butschekantiques]

Hello everyone,

Where are the 20.Juli WB specialists out there?
Any help is really appreciated.

Many thanks
Klaus

[Danmark]

Wow, never knew they made a stickpin of it??
It would be hard to tell the difference between a normal one on a lapel unless you got "up close & personal" with the individual......

[harryamb2]

the pin is correct,the badge I dont know.

[big ned]

I'm of the opinion that this is likely a copy. Juncker made the handful of original full sized badges and they were .800 silver marked and also if I recall had the '2' stamp of that maker.

This has neither, and for such an UNDOCUMENTED piece, I would expect this stickpin to have one or both. I reiterate that there is no record anywhere that I can find that these pins were ever produced, so I would let it pass without a second thought personally.

Regards, Ned.

[Adrian]

What size is it Klaus?

There seems to be an amazing level of detail gone into this small badge and on such a small scale.

And yet the rear rivet on the helmet is omitted......

Looking at the badge though would you say it was a black example as opposed to silver?

Here is a black one........

[Adrian]

There is another stickpin in this thread.

[big ned]

There is another stickpin in this thread.

Interesting to note that the badges in that thread are marked L/12 meaning they were of private purchase. Seeing as all the 20th July wound badges were AWARDED by the Fuhrer personally, you would think they would be marked '2' as were all other badges that were officially awarded.

Did Hitler order and pay for these himself? It makes one wonder.......

Regards, Ned.

[Adrian]

Interesting to note that the badges in that thread are marked L/12 meaning they were of private purchase. Seeing as all the 20th July wound badges were AWARDED by the Fuhrer personally, you would think they would be marked '2' as were all other badges that were officially awarded.

Did Hitler order and pay for these himself? It makes one wonder.......

Regards, Ned.

According to the late and much respected William Stump:

"C. E. Junker produced 100 July 20, 1944 Wound badges marked 800 2 and a second run marked L/12 800 of unknown number. The L/12's are a little larger 44 mm X 31, 31 grams where the 800 2 is roughly 43 X 35, 35 grams give or take a little either way due to hand finishing."

[big ned]

According to the late and much respected William Stump:

"C. E. Junker produced 100 July 20, 1944 Wound badges marked 800 2 and a second run marked L/12 800 of unknown number. The L/12's are a little larger 44 mm X 31, 31 grams where the 800 2 is roughly 43 X 35, 35 grams give or take a little either way due to hand finishing."

That's rather interesting. What circumstances would merit Juncker making L/12 private purchase badges? I can think of some possibilities, but are they plausible or perhaps did happen?

1. The awardee ordered an extra badge or two for use on other uniforms or clothing rather than constantly having to move the badge from one to another.

2. The awardee lost or mislaid the original badge and had to replace it with a private purchase example.

3. The awardee was again wounded at a later date and so was obliged to upgrade the award to the next level, whether it be black to silver or silver to gold.

There's probably more reasons I haven't considered for this conundrum of little real importance, but it keeps the old grey matter pondering....