Verwundetenabzeichen Legion Condor

[LEPRECHAUN]

Hello,

just picked up this one ;-)

[VonRiver]

Very nice one...

[SteveR]

How do you know it is Legion Condor and not just an early model badge ?

[LEPRECHAUN]

Thank you for the replies !

there are visible differences to recognize a condor from a 1st pattern Wb ?

[MAP]

Thank you for the replies !

there are visible differences to recognize a condor from a 1st pattern Wb ?

Not owning any LC or early versions myself, would you be so kind to elaborate? Would make for a useful thread

[AZPhil]

Not owning any LC or early versions myself, would you be so kind to elaborate? Would make for a useful thread

I was thinking the same thing and would love to learn something about these.

Semper Fi
Phil

[CBH]

Here is mine , I didn't think there was a difference . The 1936/39 Issue being used until stocks were used up at the beginning of the war . There were 182 black and one silver awarded to the Condor Legion .

[LEPRECHAUN]

Thanks for your contributions guys !

So no way actually to determinate the difference between a Condor and a 1st pattern.., it's everything up to the considerations of the dealers ?

Condor or not condor this shape remains my fav ;-)

[HPL2008]

So no way actually to determinate the difference between a Condor and a 1st pattern.

There is none. Or, more precisely: There is no "1st pattern Wound Badge". This model of badge is the one for those wounded in the Spanish Civil war, but was also put to use in the early phase of WW2 instead of the official 1939 pattern.

[Watchdog]

There is none. Or, more precisely: There is no "1st pattern Wound Badge". This model of badge is the one for those wounded in the Spanish Civil war, but was also put to use in the early phase of WW2 instead of the official 1939 pattern.

Just to add a little clarity to the thread if I might;

It seems to me that the terms "Condor Legion Wound badge" and "1st pattern" are simply labels often used by collectors to differentiate between the designs but that some people have become rether convinced by the LC designation.

I think that in the first case Leprechaun was asking whether there is a difference between "LC" and "1st patt" in response to the question posed by SteveR (note the question mark, easily missed if you just concentrate on the word order!) and not suggesting such difference.

As CBH points out, the numbers issued to LC members was relatively low compared to later issues and that the so called 1st patt was used during WWII. Therefore, in the absence of provenance the chances of this being an LC award are rather slim.

Perhaps we as a community should try to establish an accepted way of referring to this badge but then what's in a name?

Maybe if one includes the WWI version, which would be 1st patt (1918) this would in fact be the 2nd patt (1936) and the later WWII would be the 3rd patt (1939) followed by the 4th patt (20 Jul 44) .

Or, perhaps we could leave things as they are, a bit confused

Anyway, we all seem to agree that Leprechaun has a very nice example here whatever we decide to call it

Regards

Mark