verwundetenabzeichen schwarz , marked 32

**Matje06** · 05-17-2012, 11:04 AM

Hi
the final item i am going to place for now, waiting for new stuff.
i have been searching for this piece on this forum and online and cannot find this one.
I think it is the early design and it is marked 32 on the back,
More info anyone?
Thanks in advance
Mathew

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 05-17-2012 11:04 AM

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**Saladin** · 05-17-2012, 12:29 PM

Hello Mathew,
this is the early pattern Hobacher with the tin plate hinge and brass wire hook.
The lack of definition on the back stud of the helmet looks as though the die was wearing a bit when this one was struck
All the best
Doug

**Glenn66** · 05-17-2012, 12:56 PM

Really? Why would a wearing die only affect the rear rivet? Shouldn't the entire badge be showing wear to the die if this were the case?

**mpw** · 05-17-2012, 01:14 PM

Now I'm really getting confused here... Some say the badges without the rear rivet are all fakes and others say not so. So here we have a nice marked badge without rear rivet that is genuine? I agree with Glenn, a worn die would surely show wear in other area too.

Mark.

**Saladin** · 05-17-2012, 01:54 PM

No need to get confused here lads.
Have a look at the pictures under maximum magnification and you will see on the reverse shots that the rivet is there.
To me if you can imagine that on the die the back rivet would be a protrusion.
After a few strikes under 11 tons per square inch or whatever the pressure is I believe that this small nodule that would be the back rivet would show some wear.
I think this badge is the classic example of that wear.
Look again at the back rivet on the reverse and then look at the obverse and you will see that the rivet is barely making an impression much above the background pebbling

All the best

**Woolgar** · 05-17-2012, 05:56 PM

I have said it before, the lack of rivet doesnt mean it is a fake

Nick

**Adrian** · 05-17-2012, 07:35 PM

It is possible that the male or female part of the die which had the proud part of the rivet had been damaged to the extent the rivet area has worn or been broken off after continuous use. I agree with Glenn that if it was down to die wear to the extent this area has been worn away, there would be further evidence of worn details.
My suspicion is a broken or chipped die.