Panzerkampfabzeichen coming up at auction.

**josephc** · 11-16-2012, 01:48 AM

only a front picture. is there a source or sticky for telltale signs of fake?

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 11-16-2012 01:48 AM

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**Adrian** · 11-16-2012, 03:39 PM

Are there any pics of the back? Could you request one?

Hard to tell from this single image but the details look very soft. Maybe one of the others can offer further opinions?

**big ned** · 11-16-2012, 04:26 PM

Better pic's front and back needed. It maybe o.k. but it's impossible to form a considered opinion on this poor, angled shot alone.

**rbminis** · 11-17-2012, 08:14 PM

Apparently there is another photo, of the reverse.

This was posted on WAf and was deemed to be a "cutter fake" by two very knowledgeable individuals.
Ralph.

**josephc** · 11-18-2012, 03:59 PM

very interesting; I will check it out on other forum to see if poster from same area as me.
thanks.

**josephc** · 11-18-2012, 04:37 PM

by rbminis

Apparently there is another photo, of the reverse.

This was posted on WAf and was deemed to be a "cutter fake" by two very knowledgeable individuals.
Ralph.

I found it thanks

**rbminis** · 11-18-2012, 04:55 PM

Here is a link.
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=634052
Ralph.

**big ned** · 11-18-2012, 05:28 PM

Thanks for the link. The main giveaways after the sharp unfinished edge on these fakes is the lack of a waffle crimp catch plate, all AWS Panzerkampf Abzeichen's had these. Another thing that is not immeadiate unless you have the badge in hand is the poor finish on the fake, it feels rough and slightly gritty. AWS along with EWE were the very best finished awards of all the 'Vienna' design badges, and the finish on them is visibly superior in hand.

If this badge were a real AWS Panzerkampf Abzeichen in silver it would be one of the rarest badges of the 'Vienna' pattern, and very desirable.

Here's a pic of a genuine AWS waffle crimp catch plate (catch itself missing), remember it. These are now being copied too, but not well enough to pass muster if you know an original.

**wildkatz22** · 11-19-2012, 03:47 AM

I'm looking at the left and right edges of the left track and it seems to me like big blobs. There is no fine detail. Also, the canon has a piece that is hanging from the bottom near the mouth and seems as if the detail there is not sufficient. As far as I know, Germans were very proud of their achievements and that is would have been reflected on their awards, especially a silver issue. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but this seems to be a bad copy to me as well.