Kriegsverdienstkreuz DRK Else Wolff

**Teutonicknights** · 09-25-2011, 09:10 PM

by Adrian

Out of curiosity, is there a date on the certificate? It might be worth running it past the guys in the paperwork forum just to be sure..........

I do not see one Adrian.....

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 09-25-2011 09:10 PM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**Teutonicknights** · 09-25-2011, 09:12 PM

Thanks Eric, Mark, and Stewy, hope to get some more info with time

**Adrian** · 09-25-2011, 10:07 PM

I don't know how often a certificate can be found without an award date on it. The date should appear after 'Berlin'. I would definitely recommend posting it in the paperwork forum.
The ribbon on the KVK is a fake however so things may not be all they appear. As they say, buy the item, not the story.......

**Teutonicknights** · 09-25-2011, 10:24 PM

Thanks Adrian, what the differnece between this ribbon and the one I posted on this thread which I know is real?

https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/order...05/?highlight=

**Teutonicknights** · 09-26-2011, 12:02 AM

by Adrian

I don't know how often a certificate can be found without an award date on it. The date should appear after 'Berlin'. I would definitely recommend posting it in the paperwork forum.
The ribbon on the KVK is a fake however so things may not be all they appear. As they say, buy the item, not the story.......

Adrian here is the comparison of the 2 ribbons, I notice the one on this thread is wider than my original I have posted both to compare, but I cannot tell the difference otherwise. I did the black light test it passed, so please educate me the difference

Thank you Adrian very much

The one on the left is the one in question, the one of the right I know is original.

Oh I am going to post the document on the paper forum. Thanks!!

**Adrian** · 09-26-2011, 12:16 AM

Mike,
Is the ribbon on the cross faded, or are the are light areas on the black reflection because the material is shiny?

**Teutonicknights** · 09-26-2011, 12:19 AM

by Adrian

Mike,
Is the ribbon on the cross faded, or are the are light areas on the black reflection because the material is shiny?

Its really hard to tell, I think its faded, but there might be a slight shine, but it is wider, thats for sure. Then it could be the exposure too from the camera. Adrian, there is a slight sheen on the black material of the cross ribbon, is this the RED FLAG?

**Eric Zentner** · 09-26-2011, 12:50 AM

The ribbon looks fine to me what are you seeing Adrian that makes it a fake?

Eric

**Adrian** · 09-27-2011, 11:10 AM

by ez1969

what are you seeing Adrian that makes it a fake?

Eric

I was seeing the light areas on the black in the first two photos Eric, they looked like the sheen from a modern material which made me think it was a fake.
I'm still not entirely convinced though.