Two kriegsverdienstkreuz 1st class

**siffran** · 03-26-2018, 11:30 PM

Hello, first thread on the forum!

Anyway, I bought these two kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. klasse. I would be very grateful for some opinions about them

Kind regards,

Einar

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 03-26-2018 11:30 PM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**BrodieBartfast** · 03-26-2018, 11:36 PM

Welcome to the forum!

I don't have any of these crosses to compare to the ones you have, but they both look fine to me.

Regards, B.B.

**siffran** · 03-26-2018, 11:54 PM

Thank you!

Great, thanks

**rbminis** · 03-27-2018, 02:30 AM

Hello and welcome to the forum!

They both look okay to me as well. Larger photos would be better though.
What is stamped on the one without swords?

Next time, please try to remember to post them separately.
Uploading photos and posting multiple items.
Ralph.

**Franjo Vuk** · 03-27-2018, 09:55 AM

I would say that both are originals also, although you should post some additional, better, pictures, just to be absolutely sure.

Best regards,
Franko

**siffran** · 03-27-2018, 02:25 PM

Here is some more better pictures

**Franjo Vuk** · 03-27-2018, 05:51 PM

KVK1 with swords is probably original Deumer, although I am not absolutely sure about that. If maker mark on KVK1 without swords is 51, and it looks like 51 to me, than that cross is a fake. There is no original war merit cross first class with or without swords which is marked 51. There is only war merit cross second class marked 51 for maker Eduard Gorlach und Sohne, Gablonz.
Best regards,
Franko

**BMB** · 03-27-2018, 07:12 PM

Hey!
KVK with sword is an original Deumer but the pin and catch appears to be replaced.

KVK without sword is an original mm 50 Gschiermeister.

Best Regards
Martin

**jamie7d7** · 03-27-2018, 09:40 PM

At first glance, the Gschiermeister pin looks to have the number 51 stamped on it however, if you zoom in you can see that it has been a slight mis-strike and the "1" is in actual fact a "0". The pebbling pattern on the upper and lower arms and the small flaw at the bottom of the swastika match this maker should there have been doubt with the numbers on the pin.

Out of interest, I have come across 3 examples of fake "50"s in the past week, each with the number 51 struck on the pin, one example was even a "with swords" KVK.

Two nice crosses you have there, although I think the hardware on the "Deumer" is more recent or has been worked on.