Clemens armband opinions please

**sitges1990** · 04-10-2011, 05:29 AM

Bob and Steve and have seen far more examples of these than I have, so I would go with their assesment Asker. I really didn't know about the stamp. If Bob says it's a one looker 4th Reich piece, you have a definitive answer. Bob and Steve, you've never seen a period band where the swas was sewn through the rondal and band? I'm not questioning you guys, just wondering.

Jay

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 04-10-2011 05:29 AM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**SteveR** · 04-10-2011, 05:56 AM

by sitges1990

Bob and Steve and have seen far more examples of these than I have, so I would go with their assesment Asker. I really didn't know about the stamp. If Bob says it's a one looker 4th Reich piece, you have a definitive answer. Bob and Steve, you've never seen a period band where the swas was sewn through the rondal and band? I'm not questioning you guys, just wondering.

Jay

Never friend.
As Bob said and I trust his judgement implicitly 4th reich.

**BOB COLEMAN** · 04-10-2011, 02:00 PM

Jay-
I have never seen an armband constructed in this manner. Clemens Wagner was a period manufacturer of hats, not insignia. Send it back.

**asker1** · 04-10-2011, 02:45 PM

Thanks for the Lesson guys. Learning a lot from this forum!

**debbi082009** · 04-11-2011, 07:26 AM

What you guys think, how a factory will become a new contract for armbands? You have to offer a price and a SAMPLE to the RZM!
Nobody would make the work to produce a fake armband and stamp it with a hat-maker-stamp! You would stamp it with a RZM-Stamp or tag. So it would be much more easy to sell in the market.
In my opinion it could be a sample-armband.

**BOB COLEMAN** · 04-11-2011, 01:48 PM

by debbi082009

What you guys think, how a factory will become a new contract for armbands? You have to offer a price and a SAMPLE to the RZM!
Nobody would make the work to produce a fake armband and stamp it with a hat-maker-stamp! You would stamp it with a RZM-Stamp or tag. So it would be much more easy to sell in the market.
In my opinion it could be a sample-armband.

Any item submited to RZM for approval would have metal seals attached to it along with a seperate tag describing the item. A stamp on the item itself would be considered a part of how the item would be manufactured. The kampfbinde is definitely not a manufacturer's sample. As I previously mentioned, items manufactured under the jurisdiction of RZM were only allowed to identify the maker by his RZM code, never by name.

**militarymania** · 04-11-2011, 02:34 PM

i cant see the attachments,,,all i get is invalid attachment,,but based on the description and comments,,,i believe it to be a repro or an outright fake

**BOB COLEMAN** · 04-11-2011, 02:54 PM

An example of how a RZM probe would be marked

**sitges1990** · 04-11-2011, 03:22 PM

Thanks Steve and Bob for the follow-up. Oh believe me, not a chance I would doubt Bob's opinion! That would be a life's loser lesson.

Jay

**BOB COLEMAN** · 04-11-2011, 04:12 PM

by sitges1990

Thanks Steve and Bob for the follow-up. Oh believe me, not a chance I would doubt Bob's opinion! That would be a life's loser lesson.

Jay

Jay-
For me, life is a continuing search for knowledge. There is more in this hobby that I do not know than what I do. I try to address things of which I have some knowledge and try to avoid guess work.