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10-08-2013 08:31 AM
# ADS
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Looks A-1 to me! That is one Heck of a nice band! Good pickup!
William
"Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."
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Yeap, Mario has nice stuff. Very good armband
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Very nice. Just allow me to add that the duty position identified by this brassard is actually Ortsgruppenleiter.
[The armband for a Blockleiter had a narrower band of oakleaves, which was also bordered by just 1 golden stripe above and below (not 2).]
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HPL2008
Very nice. Just allow me to add that the duty position identified by this brassard is actually Ortsgruppenleiter.
[The armband for a Blockleiter had a narrower band of oakleaves, which was also bordered by just 1 golden stripe above and below (not 2).]
Thank you HPL for giving me the correct position of this brassard, I really must get myself a reference book on the hierarchy of the N.S.D.A.P to avoid making similar mistake's! Also may I take this opportunity HPL to thank you for translating the Ravensbruck letter that I recently obtained from Carl, it's very much appreciated!! Leon.
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HPL2008
Very nice. Just allow me to add that the duty position identified by this brassard is actually Ortsgruppenleiter.
[The armband for a Blockleiter had a narrower band of oakleaves, which was also bordered by just 1 golden stripe above and below (not 2).]
Hello again , just a quick question , is the correct collar tab for an Ortsgruppenleiter the four "pips" and Adler(brown base cloth with blue and gold pipeing) ? Thanks , Leon.
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FALLSCHIRMJAGER
Hello again , just a quick question , is the correct collar tab for an Ortsgruppenleiter the four "pips" and Adler(brown base cloth with blue and gold pipeing) ? Thanks , Leon.
That would the collar patch for a Gemeinschaftsleiter. It's definitely not "the" correct collar patch for an Ortsgruppenleiter as such, but might be a possible one. Allow me to elaborate:
The armband identified the duty position [Dienststellung], whereas the collar patch identified the rank [Dienstrang].
The duty postion of Ortsgruppenleiter would have been held by a PL with one of the highest ranks found on the Ortsgruppe level (the highest possible one being Ober-Abschnittsleiter), so there would be several possible ranks, with the exact rank certainly influenced by the size and significance of the Ortsgruppe in question.
Unfortunately, I must admit I don't know exactly which would be the lowest possible rank for an Ortsgruppenleiter and if a Gemeinschaftsleiter - which was the fifth-highest rank found on OG level - was within that group of ranks or too low.
Here is a full list of the final system of NSDAP ranks:
Politischer-Leiter-Anwärter (Nicht-Pg.)
Politischer-Leiter-Anwärter (Pg.)
Helfer
Oberhelfer
Arbeitsleiter
Ober-Arbeitsleiter
Haupt-Arbeitsleiter
Bereitschaftsleiter
Ober-Bereitschaftsleiter
Haupt-Bereitschaftsleiter
Einsatzleiter
Ober-Einsatzleiter
Haupt-Einsatzleiter
Gemeinschaftsleiter
Ober-Gemeinschaftsleiter
Haupt-Gemeinschaftsleiter
Abschnittsleiter
Ober-Abschnittsleiter [This was the highest rank found on Ortsgruppe level]
Haupt-Abschnittsleiter
Bereichsleiter
Ober-Bereichsleiter
Haupt-Bereichsleiter
Dienstleiter [This was the highest rank found on Kreis level]
Ober-Dienstleiter
Haupt-Dienstleiter
Befehlsleiter
Ober-Befehlsleiter [This was the highest rank found on Gau level, except for the Gauleiter]
Haupt-Befehlsleiter [This was the highest rank found on Reichs level, except for the Reichsleiter]
Gauleiter [Gau level only, identical designation for rank and duty position]
Reichsleiter [Reichs level only, identical designation for rank and duty position]
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That's fantastic information , thank you very much for sharing your knowledge , it is most appreciated. Leon.
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Right; I had vaguely remembered having read something about the ranks held by the Orts- and Kreis-level leaders and now I've finally found it again:
According to Jeff Clark's "Uniforms of the NSDAP" - which gives the NSDAP's Organisationsbuch as the source - the Ortsgruppenleiter and Kreisleiter could only hold the top five ranks within their level.
Thus, an Ortsgruppenleiter could hold a rank from Gemeinschaftsleiter up to and including Ober-Abschnittsleiter, and a Kreisleiter could hold a rank from Haupt-Abschnittsleiter up to and including Dienstleiter.
And there you have it, Gemeinschaftsleiter is indeed a possible rank for an Ortsgruppenleiter.
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