NSBO buckle

**Erno** · 09-02-2014, 06:25 PM

Here is a new buckle that I received today, an NSBO. Forum member David North has told me that these buckles were found as part of a hoard in the Netherlands. I have a theory as to the maker as well, but I want to do more research to see if it holds water.

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 09-02-2014 06:25 PM

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**Gunny Hartmann** · 09-02-2014, 06:55 PM

Very nice buckle and a cool variant , i own this one!.....

**harryamb2** · 09-02-2014, 06:59 PM

lovely buckle Erno,but I don't think it will hold water as its open at the ends.----lol.

**Erno** · 09-02-2014, 07:08 PM

by Gunny Hartmann

Very nice buckle and a cool variant , i own this one!.....

Thanks, Gunny! That's a very nice Overhoff you've got there.

by harryamb2

lovely buckle Erno,but I don't think it will hold water as its open at the ends.----lol.

Thanks Harry! I wouldn't use it for water unless it were SS (stainless steel).

**Wilhelm Saris** · 09-02-2014, 07:16 PM

Sorry, but I have never heard of the story of a hoard of NSBO-buckles from the Netherlands.
Not in forty years and I frequently visited militaria shows in my country! Just nonsense....

You hardly ever saw and still see no NSBO buckles in my country at militaria shows (other then fakes).
Not even the Dutch dealer(s) that often visited the Overhoff concern did offer them, as I would have
been offered such buckle surely and without any doubt. Those dealers did know I was a "buckle-fan".

**Erno** · 09-02-2014, 07:27 PM

by Wilhelm Saris

Sorry, but I have never heard of the story of a hoard of NSBO-buckles from the Netherlands.
Not in forty years and I frequently visited militaria shows in my country! Just nonsense....

You hardly ever saw and still see no NSBO buckles in my country at militaria shows (other then fakes).
Not even the Dutch dealer(s) that often visited the Overhoff concern did offer them, as I would have
been offered such buckle surely and without any doubt.

Well, the story of the Dutch hoard is really just a collector's anecdote and not a fact, so I won't say with certainty that it's true. I've read the same story from two different collectors, but neither are Dutch, so it apparently does not come from first hand experience. I've seen a few in very nice condition, and I don't think they're fake, so it seems likely that they were uncovered somewhere.

I have an unsubstantiated theory that these (or at least the roundels) were produced by Berg und Nolte.

**Wilhelm Saris** · 09-02-2014, 08:56 PM

Your words Erno: David North has told me that these buckles were found as part of a hoard in the Netherlands.

Now you say "story". I can guarantee you it is not true. Stories are made up for 40 or more years. The two different
collectors may have heard rumours. I am Dutch and believe me I would have know about it.

I have not said the shown buckle from post 1 was a fake. The fake buckles sold in my country all have another roundel.

**Erno** · 09-02-2014, 09:22 PM

by Wilhelm Saris

Your words Erno: David North has told me that these buckles were found as part of a hoard in the Netherlands.

Now you say "story". I can guarantee you it is not true. Stories are made up for 40 or more years. The two different
collectors may have heard rumours. I am Dutch and believe me I would have know about it.

I have not said the shown buckle from post 1 was a fake. The fake buckles sold in my country all have another roundel.

As I said earlier, I'm not arguing for the story, because I don't have any evidence of it. Lots of the 'hoard' type stories are wrong or sometimes completely made up. Maybe the buckles came to market in Belgium or Germany or somewhere else. The Netherlands story is, as you say, a story and not really relevant to the buckle(s) anyway.

Some believe that the buckle I show above is a fake, but like you said, it doesn't match the common fake roundels.

Here is another one with a different catch:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=617789

This type of catch is often seen on Berg und Nolte buckles (as Markus points out), and in my opinion, the roundels are a good match.

**David North** · 09-03-2014, 06:12 AM

Dear Erno

Wonderful buckles that you have shown and I will add some others with hopefully appropriate comments later.

Perhaps I may respond in connection with the "story" behind the buckle, although really, this is quite incidental and obviously distracts from the core subject matter.

Only a few years ago, a reasonably high number of these buckles appeared on the market for sale. All the buckles were the same NSBO design and construction, being non issued and with some, still wrapped in the original manufacturers tissue paper. The person selling the buckles was either a Dutch national or a person living in the Netherlands. No more and no less and does it really matter one has to ask. No suggestion whatsoever that the buckles were found in the Netherlands and no inflated stories of a rare Dutch hoard or other "smoke and mirrors" nonsense. Quite simply and quite recently, a person based in Holland selling these buckles with no other silliness of description or provenance to dignify what is quite simply, an honest NSBO buckle.

The roundel is quite distinct as is the method of construction and there are some advanced collectors who probably out of convenience (or laziness), have attached to the buckle the sobriquet of the the "Dutch Hoard" NSBO buckle.

A name tag and again, no more and no less.

Regards,

David