BeVo and it's misunderstood meaning

[HPL2008]

Not that it matters much, but I vaguely rembember that I first noticed that "Beteiligung" thing in one of the older SS reference books (possibly Lumsden or Angolia), which may well be where the myth originated.

[John Brandon]

Dear old Robin......its in the book therefore it must be real...... more fakes in that book than I've ever seen.... What sets this forum miles above others is the wealth of knowledge that is shared. Like you William and of course HP as well as dear FB ...... the post certainly brought about a decent discussion

[HPL2008]

Not that it matters much, but I vaguely rembember that I first noticed that "Beteiligung" thing in one of the older SS reference books (possibly Lumsden or Angolia), which may well be where the myth originated.

Back from my bookshelf; found the bit of text in question. My memory didn't deceive me; it's in Angolia:

"The term 'BeVo' comes from the trade name found on much of the woven insignia. The 'Be' stands for 'Beteiligung' (partnership) and the 'Vo' stands for 'Vorsteher'. The merging of two firms, Lucas Vorsteher of Lenneper Strasse 50 and Ewald Vorsteher of Krenzstrasse 72, from the city of Wuppertal-Bermen, was the basis fo the firm's logo of 'BEVO-WUPPERTAL'".

From: John R. Angolia: Cloth Insignia of the SS. 1st edition 1983, pp. 6 - 7.

[Wilhelm Saris]

It is obvious that Angolia never has seen the both advertisements I showed
and where the BEVO logo is shown with the one from Ewald Vorsteher.

Not only in the 1938 RZM-list, but also both are mentioned in the 1935
Handbuch der Reichszeugmeisterei, seperately.

Ewald was then also located at the Kreuzstrasse (not Krenzstrasse), but not
at W-Wichlinghausen, but at W-Barmen. Further the name was noted as
Lucas & Vorsteher and not as Lucas Vorsteher.
This shows and proves how sloppy this Angolia did work! I think he was often
sitting and guessing, mmmh what could that "Be" stand for!
Anyway what he wrote is complete nonsense. Lucas & Vorsteher and Ewald
Vorsteher were seperate manufacturers/concerns.



I can't remember from what magazine the advertisement is taken, but when I find it,
I will let you know. Also the eventual dates for publishing.
The first pattern of logo had two squirrels with the advertisement:



The second pattern just one (see advertisement shown from 1937 from
the Uniformen-Markt):

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Making an end to so-called myths classifies the difference
between War Relics and other forums, who contineously
keep up those myths!! They eagerly keep upright such -
never researched - nonsense!

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Thanks so much for yet another of your wonderful posts. Merry Christmas to you and much good fortune in 2016 and beyond!

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We are also glad that Angolia does not post here, truth be told. His "scholarship," if it can be called that, contrasts totally to your own, to say nothing of your
good citizenship and generosity to us all. And this statement goes for Andreas, too.

[Wilhelm Saris]

I got a flash of intuition!
The advertisements are from the magazine "Sport und Arbeitsdienst", which
later became the well-known "Schwert und Spaten".

In issue 4 from April 15, 1934 both concerns had their specific advertisement:
Ewald Vorsteher at the front page of the issue; Lucas & Vorsteher on page 69.
Would one really believe it to be one concern? Why then two different advertisements.
By the way Ewald did advertise earlier in the magazine then the other concern!

[Adrian Stevenson]

I have moved this thread over to here as I think it may get more views.

Great stuff as ever guys!

Cheer, Ade.