Heer visor and Kyffhaeuserbund visor

[johnschou]

Hi Forum
I think the first is a Heer visor, perhaps to an officer and the last one I am in doubt, could it be Kyffhaeuserbund visor, alle additional info is welcome
regards
John

[HPL2008]

As for the first one: Metal wreaths were worn both by officers and enlisted men. High-quality hand embroidered wreaths were a permitted option for private-purchase caps and could be worn by officers on all occasions, but by enlisted men only for walking out when off-duty.

The second item is from the Kyffhäuserbund, yes.

[johnschou]

Thank you for your reply, it is always nice to get an idea/ opinion :-)
Regards
John