Hitler Jugend knife. Fake or?

**Berlin45** · 10-07-2015, 03:34 PM

I have a HJ knife from Puma. Had it for some years but fear that it is just a repro..hit me with your opinion please..

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 10-07-2015 03:34 PM

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**Rossi** · 10-07-2015, 03:36 PM

Hello and Welcome to the Forum...Can you provide pictures of your knife for review?

**Berlin45** · 10-07-2015, 04:19 PM

Here are the photos..

by Rossi

Hello and Welcome to the Forum...Can you provide pictures of your knife for review?

**Rossi** · 10-07-2015, 05:39 PM

In my opinion you have an original puma HJ. The blade has been over polished based on what I can see of pictures. See what others think here but from what I can see it looks ok. Cross guard handle looks off to me or angled more than normal but could be my eyes. Here is a link to a post just yesterday from another Member with a Puma to look at. Allow some time for other Edged Weapon / Dress Dagger Folks to Weigh in as well. Gerrit, Larry C, Danny, Etc...will be along I am sure to give you an opinion as well.

Early Hitler Jugend Dagger by Puma

**avenger** · 10-07-2015, 06:46 PM

Being as this one isn't RZM marked, wouldn't it have had the motto on it? It's hard to tell from the dark photos, but I can't see any sign of one and the blade doesn't seem rough enough that it would be totally gone.... Perhaps heavy polishing could remove it?

**Rossi** · 10-07-2015, 07:32 PM

Yes...Avenger...had thought about Motto as well. Are there traces of a motto etched in blade or were they hogged out ?

**KEVIN23** · 10-07-2015, 07:51 PM

Hi, it kind of looks ok to me, no signs of the typical fakes, but I dont like the blade stamp of solingen, or the ges. gesch. looks deep enough to be complete, but the E is a F in solingen. It just looks sloppy. If it is repro, it was made to deceive. See what others have to say.

**Rossi** · 10-07-2015, 07:57 PM

Kevin brings up the only real concern is blade and makers mark. Can you take some more shots of blade for us. I had a puma knife that had a total rework of blade a few years back that had a new puma head maker mark re applied over old one. Better pics of both sides of blade may help with more analysis.

**Mac 66** · 10-07-2015, 08:43 PM

Guys,

I,m not liking it

Why ?, for starters the diamond is a repro, check out that fingerguard

No RZM #

, ricasso & MM do not look right !

Compare it to this one by Maxxx > Transitional HJ Knife Puma with Motto

**Rossi** · 10-07-2015, 08:55 PM

Finger guard was something I notice as well. Puma's head now that I have time to look closer does look off but thought it could have been from the massive cleaning / polishing of blade. I was looking on my iphone but now that I am back in my office it does look concerning on the big screen.