Matched K98 Bayonets

[Sleepwalker]

The frog is made between 1935 and 1940, because of the ALU-Rivets. This frog was painted all over black and still shows trades of use.

[JerryB52]

Nice bayonets! Never had a red bakelite version. I could never understand why some bayonets would fit my Mauser rifle and other would not.

[Gunny Hartmann]

Nice examples!...

[Frogprince]

Nice examples

but these are two S84/98. A K98 Bayonet never exits.

Regards.

Just a minor technical matter - I was reading a period German Police manual that used S. 84/98. Is it referred to in period German Army publications as the S84/98? Best Regards, Fred

[Sleepwalker]

Three versions exist in german orders in the III. Reich

Seitengewehr 84/98, S 84/98, S. 84/98

In the original Manual from 1905-09 it is also shortened as SG 84/98.

It is more than a minor technical matter. It is totaly wrong. The germans named the Equipment in the most cases of the year of the indruction and not of the weapons. The S84/98 was indruduced in a time the Gewehr and Karabiner 98 were used. The K98k were indruduced in 1935. The, so called, "III. Version" of the S 84/98 were produced since 1927... 8 years bevore the K98k were made.

The S 98/98 fix also the german used G98, K98, K98a, G40, G24(t), G29(p), FN 24 etc.


Regards

[Frogprince]

Three versions exist in german orders in the III. Reich

Seitengewehr 84/98, S 84/98, S. 84/98

In the original Manual from 1905-09 it is also shortened as SG 84/98.

It is more than a minor technical matter. It is totaly wrong. The germans named the Equipment in the most cases of the year of the indruction and not of the weapons. The S84/98 was indruduced in a time the Gewehr and Karabiner 98 were used. The K98k were indruduced in 1935. The, so called, "III. Version" of the S 84/98 were produced since 1927... 8 years bevore the K98k were made.

The S 98/98 fix also the german used G98, K98, K98a, G40, G24(t), G29(p), FN 24 etc.


Regards

Many thanks for the original documentation. For me the technical matter was to finally come to a conclusion for myself on the best way to describe the bayonets, which for me has sometimes been confusing because of the different sets of rules the Germans seemed to be following. With Imperial swords using for example M 52/79 as a designation, and both the "Die Seitengewehre der Truppen zu Fuss" and the "Die Seitengewehre der Truppen zu Pferde und die Lanzen" Berlin, 1910 using (if my translation is correct): S 98, S 84/98, S 71/84, S 98/05, KS 98 etc. Or the rifles themselves, with receiver side rail markings such as: Karab. 98b, Mod. 98 (the Kar. 98k), G. 29/40, G 98/40 (not a Mauser it's a modified 1895 Mannlicher), G. 33/40 etc. in the TR period. So for now I'm thinking that following the German Police example of S. 84/98 is the path of least resistance. Best Regards, Fred

[Sleepwalker]

Hello,

yes the Gewehr 98/40 was a new made rifle M1935 (43M) 7.92×57 IS (System Mannlicher). I think for this rifle the M95 Mannlicher bayonet was used

Regards

[Frogprince]

Hello,

yes the Gewehr 98/40 was a new made rifle M1935 (43M) 7.92×57 IS (System Mannlicher). I think for this rifle the M95 Mannlicher bayonet was used

Regards

Yes, that's probably a better fit with the M1935 a shorter version of the M1895, but still all Mannlicher with a split bridge receiver, magazine, bolt etc. With the 43M retaining the Mauser type of box magazine and cartridge etc., but reverting to the M95 bayonet and sling arrangement. Best Regards, Fred

[Sleepwalker]

Yes i think the M95 bayonet was after the S 84/98 and the S24(t) the most used bayonet in the Wehrmacht.

[Frogprince]

Sorry, my mistake. I should have said reverting to the Hungarian (19)35M bayonet and sling arrangement. With the bayonet at the rear using a small stud not unlike the Swedish 1896 Mauser rifle bayonet (but not identical/interchangeable). Best Regards, Fred