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Re: 2nd Model Luftwaffe Dagger
In most cases when portepee is long time on the dagger, took "bluish" color as a scabbard. (traces of patina and dust that has moved away from the dagger to portepee)
With this, rope of portepee, is closely tied to the dagger, almost like it was glued.
Your portepee very well placed on the dagger, and do not, under miscellaneous, remove from the dagger.
Regards
Vedran
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03-25-2013 07:42 AM
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Re: 2nd Model Luftwaffe Dagger
after all thats been said i want to add 1 thing more:
The crossguard and pommel are made of alumium, that material will not build up a nice patina.
the sheath/scabbard is iron, that will/can build up patina if the laquer/silverwash is gone.
This dagger looks like its been cleaned a lot in the past, and it prop. been layed a way for a while, making the iron to build up patina by moisture etc...the alu parts will prop. always stay this color.
So i would not be bothered by not matching colors...
Cheers Ger
Last edited by gerrit; 03-25-2013 at 11:54 AM.
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Re: 2nd Model Luftwaffe Dagger
Gerrit, currently in the world there is no metal, which do not oxidized due to age.
Aluminium when oxidized, resulting with "yellow dust" and can also be gray.
In addition to these, metal accumulates dirt, which is transferred to the age to portepee.
Regards
Vedran
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Re: 2nd Model Luftwaffe Dagger
Verdran,
due to the use of different materials, there will not a matching patina/color if the top laquer or finish is gone.
Alu will hardly change, only get dull a little, ive seen a lot of alu swords, some look as they were produced yesterday.
Iron will change in color if moisture in the air is to high.
but Verdran I agree with you about oxidation if the condition of storage is very bad, then alu will get worse.
Cheers,
Ger
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Re: 2nd Model Luftwaffe Dagger
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Rancid66
In most cases when portepee is long time on the dagger, took "bluish" color as a scabbard. (traces of patina and dust that has moved away from the dagger to portepee)
With this, rope of portepee, is closely tied to the dagger, almost like it was glued.
Your portepee very well placed on the dagger, and do not, under miscellaneous, remove from the dagger.
Regards
Vedran
Hay thanks I was thinking the same thing...I was sitting down looking at it and turning it over in my hands,there is absolutely no way i could retie it if i wanted to...Its part of it and it staying.
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Re: 2nd Model Luftwaffe Dagger
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gerrit
This dagger looks like its been cleaned a lot in the past, and it prop. been layed a way for a while, making the iron to build up patina by moisture etc...the alu parts will prop. always stay this color.
So i would not be bothered by not matching colors...
I can tell you it has been sitting in a basement drawer for 40 years in stored in a wool sock,I could never say if it was cleaned or polished but it certainly was never out or on display.
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Re: 2nd Model Luftwaffe Dagger
With night or day, and the immediate outside conditions (like weather) of different parts of the world I don’t have a problem with artificial lighting as a way to capture images for posting online. But in trying to figure out just what the condition is of an item (or how it was made) I tend to like sunlight and very close examinations. That said and speaking generally, iron/steel with exposure to the elements such as moisture, form red oxides (rust) that often gradually becomes blacker in color. With chemically induced rust which is (relatively) fairly stable, seen in period use as layers of brown or blue oxides on the (iron based) metals.
With natural exposure to the elements, the oxides of both zinc and aluminum are white in color (which is why both are commonly used in some sunscreens). Sorry dagger guys: With aluminum which is clear anodized, being a thin chemically induced oxide layer over the aluminum which protects it, allowing its silver color to come through. And the deeper gray color usually a thicker layer of natural oxides over the silver colored (raw/freshly exposed) base metal. But zinc which is a fairly “active” metal is not as fortunate, and will literally be eaten away with continued exposure to moisture and other factors. Turning an even deeper dark color over time without exposure to some of the more harmful elements. And zinc being one of the (protective) metals that was used to plate steel scabbards to keep them from becoming covered in rust. And depending on the maker and time period, sometimes besides just zinc plating, metallic zinc chromate was also used, and zinc phosphate on top of either that also assisted in preventing or inhibiting corrosion.
With the “bottom line” being that I don’t see in the latest images what looks like old rust as compared to aged zinc - and in sunlight this dagger might be in a much better condition than the current darker images seem to portray it. Best Regards, Fred
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Re: 2nd Model Luftwaffe Dagger
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kgrunt
Man, its starting to look like a hike...
This what will build your knowledge leg muscles,, as in this hobby it is best to try to carry your own weight and research for yourself,, and if a student can not find the answer then ask the teachers and the knowledgeable. Too many people come on here and dont want to try for themselves and will walk with crutches as long as they collect. I know you are trying KG...its the one night standers that come and go on here.
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Frogprince
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With natural exposure to the elements, the oxides of both zinc and aluminum are white in color (which is why both are commonly used in some sunscreens).
Sorry dagger guys:
Now I know what to use as an alternative of Ren Wax...and maybe get a bunny to rub it on my dagger
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