Oberbayern Skull CT

**Pascal BERNHARD** · 12-13-2014, 04:04 PM

Thanks Friefdrich !

Great pic ! I know well this "TK" off. period pic (which of course is already in my ref.achives) !

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 12-13-2014 04:04 PM

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**Pascal BERNHARD** · 12-13-2014, 04:05 PM

Obviously was this band unifom removed... but perhaps not a "black" one...

**harryamb2** · 12-13-2014, 08:45 PM

nice CT.

**Pascal BERNHARD** · 12-14-2014, 02:56 PM

Thanks !

**Pascal BERNHARD** · 12-14-2014, 08:17 PM

Do you think this type of CT could really have been period worn on an "Oberbayern" black tunic ? Or came it too late to be worn...

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 12-14-2014, 09:07 PM

Mr. d'Alquen is the authority on these themes, but I thought that the Totenschaedel cuff title was introduced for "Oberbayern" in 1938, was it not?
The machine woven cuff titles also appeared more or less ca. 1937, did they not?
I am not a cuff title person.
My "Oberbayern" uniform is of the earlier model, of which I am very glad.

**Robert H** · 12-15-2014, 04:53 AM

Very nice title, for sure original.
HH sold one for 2.9. Quite cheap sale for my opinion. Title is out from my head from end of 42 or beg. 43. Mostly seen on green W-SS tunics, as well often to see above or below other titles for the honor to have previously served for Papa Eicke.

**Pascal BERNHARD** · 12-15-2014, 08:24 AM

Thanks for the inputs guys !

**d'alquen** · 12-15-2014, 06:10 PM

The skull sleeveband was introduced in September 1938. The Verwaltungsamt-SS still had approximately 3,000 'Oberbayern' bands in stock, so the skull pattern was to be worn on the black service dress and the old 'Oberbayern' stock was to be worn out on the field uniform.
I believe the woven pattern began appearing in 1939.
An interesting aside is that when the prototype cuffband was sent for approval to the SS-Hauptamt in August, Loerner (Head of the SS-VA) mentioned that he thought the skull didn't look very good. He thought that the old 'Oberbayern' band would be retained and a skull sleeve diamond would be adopted by the regiment.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 12-15-2014, 06:12 PM

by d'alquen

The skull sleeveband was introduced in September 1938. The Verwaltungsamt-SS still had approximately 3,000 'Oberbayern' bands in stock, so the skull pattern was to be worn on the black service dress and the old 'Oberbayern' stock was to be worn out on the field uniform.
I believe the woven pattern began appearing in 1939.
An interesting aside is that when the prototype cuffband was sent for approval to the SS-Hauptamt in August, Loerner (Head of the SS-VA) mentioned that he thought the skull didn't look very good. He thought that the old 'Oberbayern' band would be retained and a skull sleeve diamond would be adopted by the regiment.

Thank you.