Very Early Standartenfuhrer Collar Tabs

[Friedrich-Berthold]

For those who do not know, the man above is Flugkapitaen Baur, the storied pilot of Hitler, himself.

He wrote a memoir once it was all over.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Thanks for Mr. Wim and Mr. d'Alquen for the further enlightenment. Uniformkunde takes many turns.

[jHAM]

Thank you for another wonderful thread from our own murderer's row Wim, d'alquen, HPL2008, F-B and of course Mr. Delich. I often think how lucky I am to listen in and even participate in the conversation with such distinguished and qualified folks. Thank you all very much.

[Wilhelm Saris]

d'Alquen, is it possible the photo from Schreck has been "photoshopped" in those days,
starting early this thread (post 1), in relation to the leaf upon the collar-patch?? Are there
more photos of him where you can see this leaf being worn. The other photo shows the
leaf as such was worn indeed. But my question is about Schreck.
Many years ago (30 or so) it was told to me this could be done. There also exists the exact
same photo of him with a pip next to the leaf, the pip was anyway "photoshopped". I had
this photo, but cannot find it.
Maybe it was only the pip what was added by "photoshopping" and not related to the leaf
at all!!

It is for sure Bauer did wear his Lufthansa-uniform into late 1933 anyway or early 1934. I
have a photo of him. Later he did wear the black and field-grey SS uniform. I also must have
a photo of that, but cannot find it. My photos are a mess. I thought I used it in a book, but
I cannot remember in which??

[HPL2008]

It is for sure Bauer did wear his Lufthansa-uniform into late 1933 anyway or early 1934. I
have a photo of him. Later he did wear the field-grey SS uniform. I also must have a photo
of that, but cannot find it. My photos are a mess. I thought I used it in a book, but I cannot
remember in which??

Vol. 4 of the "Headgear" series has a picture of Baur in grey SS service dress (it's on page 18). A different one is in the "Lufthansa" book (on page 57).

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Photographs were retouched routinely in the early 20th century, i.e. the rank changed on collar patches, decorations added etc.

[Wilhelm Saris]

Vol. 4 of the "Headgear" series has a picture of Baur in grey SS service dress (it's on page 18). A different one is in the "Lufthansa" book (on page 57).

HPL2008: thanks. From the Lufthansa-book, I know (see also the same book page 178. This was one of the last,
official photos where he was wearing the Lufthansa-uniform), but I forgot where I showed the field-grey SS.
Will scan them (tomorrow) and show for the interest of the readers.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

The Deutsche Wochenschau with Hitler in the air to the front at various times included Baur in a field grey uniform.

[d'alquen]

Wim,
No, the photo in post #1 and the close-up of the tab are from the original glass negative. Here is another shot from that photo session showing the tab, again this is from the glass negative so no retouching. The collection of Hoffmann negatives was returned to the Bayerische Staatsbibliotek by the US government many years ago.

[Wilhelm Saris]

Nice photo. Maybe I mixed up Schreck with somebody else. I am not that good with faces.
Bever was!