Kriegsmarine 2nd model Eickhorn etched dagger with hangers - Need Authentication

[thebig]

Hi Larry.
There were many things that we can not really explain. For example, the company Puma has made no own parts for the Army and Luftwaffe daggers. But this company has manufactured its own navy daggers. When we talk about the Navy daggers, then we have to assume that the largest manufacturers like Eickhorn, WKC, Höller, Hörster etc. have no parts interchanged.
Another theory about the Navy daggers would be in my opinion nothing but a way for fakers to legalize a part daggers.
Best,
Oleg.

[Larry C]

I agree Oleg that it may give fakers an edge to create new history of something that never was..which is highly rampant in this hobby..so true .
Yet the door of opportunity is still open to continue studying and researching ,,,knowing the differences as seen and read by our Kriegsmarine specialist "dr73"

Danny came about his knowledge like the rest of us in trial and error...my point over all..never stop researching. What seems to be a dead end sometimes..there is a crack in the wall..for something to come through. You never know..and i never said that Kriegs parts are interchanged...I said they "may " be or the possibility.

Yes I do agree with you also on your above statement..that much of it can not be explained. Much of the truth was lost in Allied bombings..yet much of the truth still exists in whole examples that are still lodged in the wood work found in an " as is state " by the liberating Vet.

No one thought possible that there could be a Honor dagger by EF Horster..which many SA collectors thought of Eickhorn being the sole entity of these type of daggers. This will be seen in Witmanns upcoming SA Reference to released by the end of the year ..Hopfully..but in the works as per the conversation I had with him.

One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted. Im amazed by that !

The opportunity of a re-read into Wittmans Naval reference,, Ralf Siegerts Naval Reference..and including the support of Tom Johnsons references ...my shed a new
" glint of light "..which I feel challenged myself..to take a look see. I would encourage them same for our readers here.
Great Post Oleg!! Great thread Gents

Regards Larry

[stingray]

Thank you guys for the help
Here are some pictures of the pommel

Regards

[Tomaz]

Sorry for the late reply, I have no internet over the weekend.
After looking at the new pics of the pommel I can see it is a fake.
Oleg, documentation is not always obtained or an indication of everything that is practised in business, even today different companies deal with each other in this way. Years ago I worked for a factory making electrical harnesses for all types of vehicles and if we ran out of some components we sent someone down the road to a factory that used the same components and acquired some from them. Im sure it would have been no different in the T.R. period, even more so if supplies were difficult to obtain because of the war effort.
A lot of information in collecting daggers comes from observations and comparisons, if you only accept mixed parts on daggers where you have documentation then you will probably have to dismiss half of the daggers out there, armys, lufts, SAs etc included.
The fact that these two factories (Eickhorn/WKC) were the largest does not mean that they would not on occasion run out of parts, especially brass ones, and if you run out of parts it makes sense that you would go to the next largest supplier who is more likely to have that surplus part in stock.
Also with so few companies manufacturing navy daggers the choice was limited to only 3 or 4 other companies to help out.
Through observations, comparisons, fit and sometimes patina we can work out who dealt with who without always the need for documentation.
Best Tomaz.

[thebig]

Hi Tomaz,
I understand what you mean. But, like I have already said, there are no naval dagger of Eickhorn or from WKC from the sure sources which show the parts of the other manufacturer.
Best,
Oleg.