Deutsches Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen.

[Walkwolf]

Hi, Nick, ........... 'One' is better than 'None' !


I don't know why, but they are quite common and inexpensive here,
or at least they used to be a few years ago..........

This past May 8th, I paid $20 for a late-war zinc version with the
Schrobenhausen envelope. The fellow I got it from also had
a maker marked version, the first one I've seen,
but he wanted $60 !






Regards, Steve.

[pammy]

here is mine its a early / better one ,i have the paper envolpoe but its from a flee market..this one i got with the ww1 badge group from the estate aution the detail is great..nice west wall guys!! steve you have too many!!!

[Walkwolf]

here is mine its a early / better one ,i have the paper envolpoe but its from a flee market..this one i got with the ww1 badge group from the estate aution the detail is great..nice west wall guys!! steve you have too many!!!

I can spare a ribbon for this WW medal Pammy.
Just let me know...........






Regards, Steve

[JamesWatson]

here is mine its a early / better one ,i have the paper envolpoe but its from a flee market..this one i got with the ww1 badge group from the estate aution the detail is great..nice west wall guys!! steve you have too many!!!

I never thought much of these until I saw one in person at an antique store. It made an impression! (I was wading through about 97% junk in that place though.. a diamond in the rough).

He wanted 50.00 but I couldn't go past 40 for one. Now I'm kinda regretting it...

Oh well!

[avenger]

Researching these medals before making a purchase, which I will share in my own thread tonight, I came across this thread I'm replying to which talks about the dubious packet with the city name misspelled with an "n" where a "u" should be. There seems to be more info in this thread than the others I've found, so I thought this the best place to reply.

It appears a lifetime member of WAF by the name Marcus Hatton had a laboratory analysis done on these packets a number of years back, and the ink used to print them, and had the following to say. I found this thread relevant when I was looking these up, and felt adding this information from WAF might be of use to others like me when making a decision on what to purchase:

Taken from The Hansen-Hausen debate conclusion ? - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

The answer is they are purported to be GENUINE , I'm not sure if I was suprised or not and had to think about it for a while.


So that is to say, what is deemed as the, 'spelling mistake dubious packet' is in fact said to be genuine.

The tests conducted were done by a lab in the UK, whom specialise in old documentation and papers, from artwork to literature to all aspects of paper work.

For legal obligations and further wishes of the contributors to these findings I will not and can not discuss the techniques invloved of the process. If you wish to search the internet for such or contact establsihments for further information you'll find it is a very guarded and a limited response you'll get.

And to add to that, the material subjected being of the period does provoke some hysteria It's taken a long time for me to build a relationship with these guys, and after all who am I.

The packets hence where subjected to forensic document examination and ink chromatography: the last being available in information wise on the net.

Basically, it's removal of a small part of ink and paper, placed in a vile where a solvent is added to dissolve the components, then extracted on a high performance plate.

Then depending on the ink type, the sample is placed in a developing tank, the dyes extrude up the plate and there from the components and make-up form the chromatography plate.

It's a basic process, nothing new here on ink. Not only though is it tested against, Hansen-Hausen examples but other inks period and not and other packets needless to say.

The paper goes through a more elaborate process from simple to complex, all areas covered and compared.

I can't tell you anymore than that, I've presented the findings, it's of your own volition how you perceive them.


There are further questions regarding ribbons etc etc......I can't answer them, I really don't know.

And I can't elaborate or tell you anything further........what you wish believe from now is up to you ultimately. You could even get your own conduction of validity done on these packets via a different source of course ?


So thats it, or is it. I'm satisfied with the results personally.


I hope this will be of some worth to the hobby and your interest.


Kr

Marcus

[rob214]

I've always liked these medals. I have attached some photos of the two I own. The first one is an earlier issue made of buntmedal or solid bronze, I'm not sure. It's thicker and a little heavier than my later issue zinc based medal with it's envelope. Both have ribbons that do not glow.