Gemeinsames Flugzeugfuhrer-Beobachter Abzeichen: opinions...

[Saladin]

Although not identical it looks a pretty close match to the reproduction below...this time stamped for Juncker

[jamoros]

This does not look right

[Saladin]

Just comparing details with original FLL PO badges bearing in mind that there are several accepted variations of FLL PO badges.

At one the swastika looks to be too thick.
At two there is no detail on the inside of the ribbon (visible on every other FLL attributed PO badges and I am quite sure (I may be wrong) that it should be the same wreath that was used on the FLL Observer badges)
At three that often found lemon gold colour that is found on FLL badges does not seem to be apparent here.

To me there are enough differences to make this a questionable badge. But damn that eagle is good.

All the best
Doug

[big ned]

I am not sure with this badge. It is for sure the "FLL" attributed design.

The set up, hinge, needle is to find in this way on early P/O badges attributed to FLL. I agree with Ned, that the shape of the rivets is looking a bit strange. I am not sure with the catch based on this pics.

Suspect line on the talons area also to see.

I looked long and hard at that too! I was thinking "Has it been re-nazified?" Obviously not when you look closely at the un disturbed obverse area around the legs/tail feather region, but a sure bad sign for it being genuine.

I'm pretty certain I've seen the exact set up of bird and wreath previously, and maker marked as by Juncker and JMME, so it's making me say now this is a definite copy. A great copy, but still a no-no....

I shall investigate further later on.

[big ned]

Found the JMME copy. Although Doug casts doubts on his Juncker pictures, the bird and wreath are the same as this one, and neither that or the purported JMME one below match either maker but are a match for an FLL design badge, and that's not right. Therefore I'll be done here and reiterate, I now believe 100% that the original badge posted is a fake.notcool

[big ned]

Just comparing details with original FLL PO badges bearing in mind that there are several accepted variations of FLL PO badges.

At one the swastika looks to be too thick.
At two there is no detail on the inside of the ribbon (visible on every other FLL attributed PO badges and I am quite sure (I may be wrong) that it should be the same wreath that was used on the FLL Observer badges)
At three that often found lemon gold colour that is found on FLL badges does not seem to be apparent here.

To me there are enough differences to make this a questionable badge. But damn that eagle is good.

All the best
Doug

Hi Doug,

The main problem here is the rear set up. Yes, FLL did have variations in their badges, in the materials used (Buntmetall, Buntmetall/Zinc and all Zinc) and especially the rear set ups, none of which match the rear set up on the OP's badge. That configuration was never used on any FLL badges of any kind I can find anywhere, therefore in my opinion it's no good.

Regards, Ned.

[jamoros]

Hi Ned, found an old thread I entered a while back of a fake FLL bird, thought it would be interesting to add it to this thread, Best Regards, Juan

https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/order...linden-542394/

Hi Doug,

The main problem here is the rear set up. Yes, FLL did have variations in their badges, in the materials used (Buntmetall, Buntmetall/Zinc and all Zinc) and especially the rear set ups, none of which match the rear set up on the OP's badge. That configuration was never used on any FLL badges of any kind I can find anywhere, therefore in my opinion it's no good.

Regards, Ned.

[dzyner]

Thanks guys. I'll toss this one to the dogs.

[big ned]

Gemeinsames Flugzeugfuhrer-Beobachter Abzeichen...let's hear them pronounce That one 3 times fast....what a mouthful...

That's why Germans don't play Scrabble.....

[jamoros]

Nice one Ned

That's why Germans don't play Scrabble.....