Luftwaffe and Heer Flakkampfabzeichen.

**Ziggy Stardust** · 01-21-2013, 03:24 PM

Hello,
my friend asked me for help with these two badges. I think both are bad, but your opinion will be great!

Thank you
Ziggy

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 01-21-2013 03:24 PM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**Ziggy Stardust** · 01-21-2013, 07:01 PM

Anyone?

**Danmark** · 01-21-2013, 09:22 PM

For me it's hard to tell with late war stuff - the crudeness starts to creep into manufacture a bit and makes it hard to quickly decide on originality.
Pushing it back to the top may get one of our badge experts seeing your thread again.
Good luck!
Dan

**harryamb2** · 01-21-2013, 09:43 PM

pushing my luck,I think they stand a chance,but don't like pin on army one.

**Ziggy Stardust** · 01-21-2013, 09:58 PM

Thanks a lot, more comments are still welcome....

**roger9344** · 01-21-2013, 10:17 PM

The Assman badge does not match the Assman design for a zinc badge. The details are incorrect, per the book The Flak Badges by Marc Garlasco. I would be concerned...
as it is the Claw Fake (look at the talons on the claw clutching the swastika and see how the two leftmost talons 'clench' together. Add with the other details of the cannon and it matches the picture, you can see this on p. 397 of the book.

I don't care for the Heer badge, either. Haven't been able to locate it as I haven't the time but will look further.

**roger9344** · 01-22-2013, 01:43 AM

The Heer badge looks like it is trying to be a Förster & Barth, but is missing the mark. A better straight-on shot of the eagle would help, but I'm afraid the details are just wrong.

**Adrian** · 01-22-2013, 08:40 AM

I agree with Roger about the Luftwaffe badge being the claw fake, we've seen a couple on here over the years. The other point to note about these is the overly done scaly legs of the eagle. It looks like a vacuum cleaner hose.

**Ziggy Stardust** · 01-22-2013, 09:21 AM

OK,
now I know that these badges are not good for any serious collection. This was quite hard for me to judge them without any help. Thank you all for your input!

**roger9344** · 01-22-2013, 03:21 PM

Glad to help. As always, opinions don't cost anything and these badges are pretty doggone expensive. In the future, if you have multiple items to discuss, you would probably get more responses on each item if you post them in individual threads, as second and third items in one thread tend to get sort of lost in the clutter, so to speak.