looking for an SS unit

[huddyhuddy]

Hi,

Would it be possible to locate a SS unit called "4/I/27 SS-Stand.", around 1934?

Thanks,
Neil

[Adrian Stevenson]

27. SS-Standarte "Ostmark"

Commanders
SS-Sturmbannführer Erich von dem Bach (15 Dec 1931 - 12 July 1932)
SS-Sturmführer Walter Gerlach (7 Aug 1932 - 1 Aug 1934)
SS-Hauptsturmführer Fritz Teufel (1 Aug 1934 - 20 May 1939)
SS-Obersturmbannführer Emil Klein (20 May 1939 - ? May 1945)


HQ at Frankfurt/Oder.

Cheers, Ade.

[huddyhuddy]

Wow! thanks Ade! how does one understand what unit and commands they where?
Is there any history on this 27. SS-Standarte "Ostmark" during the war years?

Thanks again,
Neil

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Neil, feeling lazy after a couple of glasses of wine (!) so it is easiest for me to post a link for you to understand how the SS Standarte were organised:

Allgemeine-SS Order of Battle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During the war these Allgemeine SS units basically existed on paper with just a handful of members. No unit history printed that I am aware of?

Cheers, Ade.

[huddyhuddy]

Hi Ade,

So what were they for? then how does one know where he fought and what battles during the war? strange.

Thanks,
Neil

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Neil, no, these were "Political" General (Allgemeine) SS. They were not Waffen SS units. They did not fight.

Cheers, Ade.

[huddyhuddy]

Hi Ade,

Sorry, my knowledge is not that good on this subject. So they did not fight in the war, not stationed in KZ, they did office work only? and what kind? and this one in particular?

Thanks,
Neil

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Neil, this is a very broad subject.

Hollywood has a lot to answer for!

The organisation of the SS is a huge and very complex subject. Much more than I can explain here.

During the war these were usually part time, over age guys, who did admin type work at best. Many were simply paper members.

Cheers, Ade.

[huddyhuddy]

Hi Ade,

Thanks.

Enjoy your weekend,
Neil

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Hi,

Would it be possible to locate a SS unit called "4/I/27 SS-Stand.", around 1934?

Thanks,
Neil

This would be the 4th Sturm of the I Sturmbann of Standarte 27. The Allgemeine SS in these years was constantly being reorganized as it grew. The best English language secondary sources are that of Lumsden and Mollo

here is the insignia of a not unlike unit, but in this case the 4 Sturm in the II Sturmbann.