Good point !!!
I looked to fast !!, I'm pretty sure the maker mark also was used on ww2 spades , and I saw the folded ears, so I was too fast in my judgement
Do you have pictures of the backside of the shovel as well ??
Tom
Good point !!!
I looked to fast !!, I'm pretty sure the maker mark also was used on ww2 spades , and I saw the folded ears, so I was too fast in my judgement
Do you have pictures of the backside of the shovel as well ??
Tom
Sorry I haven't got any other pictures on my phone I can take one later when I'm home
Hello,
The set is postwar
The shovel is a postwar Idealspaten.
Sometimes one can find fake markings stamped to this very kind of shovel.
giveaways : ears folded on the wrong side of the blade and NO welding spots...
Thanks
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Great point and sharp eye the ears are in the front and I now don't see any weld marks. Somewhere I did see the stickman proof on a 1952 dated BW shovel. timothy
thanks timothy ,my initial thoughts were west german bgs so bundeswehr issue makes sence tooby timothy
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Ralph.
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The meaning of the PP marking is "Der Polizeipräsident in Berlin"/The Police Commissioner of Berlin
Until reunification it was part of the paramilitary equipment of the West-Berlin police force.
Sven Wittnebel, Polizeihauptmeister a.D. "
Searching for anything relating to, Anton Boos, 934 Stamm. Kp. Pz. Erz. Abt. 7, 3 Kompanie, Panzer-Regiment 2, 16th Panzer-Division (My father)
Hello.
" P Pr Bln " means Polizei Präsidium Berlin, that's right, " P P " I am not so sure, as there were such markings for other important west german towns.
By the way I would rather translate this as " Police Headquarters in Berlin " than linking it to a specific individual.
Not quite sure what you are trying to say, but the member who posted this information is the current Polizeihauptmeister a.D.
Ralph.
Searching for anything relating to, Anton Boos, 934 Stamm. Kp. Pz. Erz. Abt. 7, 3 Kompanie, Panzer-Regiment 2, 16th Panzer-Division (My father)
Then the feeling is mutual.
In Germany, the police president (abbreviation PP or PPr) in the German police force is the head of authority of a large police force, usually a police headquarters. Polizeipräsident and Polizeivizepräsident are official titles in some service positions in most federal states.
Depending on the federal state, police presidents are subordinate to the respective district president, the inspector of the police or the minister of the interior or senator of the interior or president of the authority for the interior and are obliged to report to him. The civil servant status in the federal states varies greatly: in some they are police officers and wear uniforms, in others they are administrative officers and sometimes also wear uniforms. The heads of police administrative offices, training institutions, etc. are usually not police enforcement officers.
In Berlin, until March 2021, the entire state police was called Der Polizeipräsident in Berlin (The Police Commissioner in Berlin), since the staff body as well as the authority as such acted in his name (mission); as of April 2021, the authority was renamed Polizei Berlin (Berlin Police).
But why were we the only ones using the PP abbreviation? Let me guess, the Polizeipräsident in Berlin was the first one with this title (1809)?
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