I would call it rather "gray"
I would call it rather "gray"
Well to be specific: in 1936 the colors mentioned were:
black (schwarz) for Hitler-Jugend;
chocolade-brown (schokoladebraun) for SA;
lighter brown (hellhavanabraun) for political leaders (politische Leiter),
according Herstellungsvorschriften der RZM, 1936.
It is very, very surprisingly that when for the labor forces (Werkscharen)
the felt cover was described, it was as HJ-Grau. So , the darker grey and not black.
This darker grey was so dark it must have been looked as black.
All these colors were apparently too much and it was looked for for one color.
In the course of maybe later 1937 the color changed into one unified color for
ALL of them (Gliederungen der NSDAP). This as such was mentioned in the
Herstellungsvorschfiten der RZM from 1938: graubraunmeliert
(grey-brownish mixed material).
Here are a few pics of my 1939 HJ canteen for reference. Unissued condition and many RZM stamps
Thanks!
Last edited by dimmuborgir95; 08-31-2016 at 07:05 AM.
Here some shots of my SS Canteen for reference:
"It's not whether you get knocked down...It's whether you get up"
My Collection: www.tothehiltmilitaria.com
In the manufacturing-regulations "Herstellungsvorschrift der RZM" from 1936 (page 107),
the color for the felt was mentioned to be black.I'm quite confused . I looked at this page, but I think it says about the leather straps (Beriemung) color?Well to be specific: in 1936 the colors mentioned were:
black (schwarz) for Hitler-Jugend;
chocolade-brown (schokoladebraun) for SA;
lighter brown (hellhavanabraun) for political leaders (politische Leiter),
according Herstellungsvorschriften der RZM, 1936.
In the book "Organisationsbuch Der Nsdap, 1937", chapter "Politische Leiter", also says that "hellhavanabraun" - leather straps color, and the cover is "hellbraunem".
you are right, the colors mentioned are for the leather gear. Sorry!
But when you read correctly the OB from 1937 you see the felt has
about the same color as the leather: felt = lighter brown; the leather
lighter havanna-brown. And so the combination for the HJ was the
darke rgreyish felt with black leather. This was your question from post 1.
The shown felt from the Weller-photos, is as what is noted to be
grey-brown mixed material from 1938. For the RAD it was noted to
be "erdfarbig meliert" in 1939 (RAD - Handbuch der Verwaltung),
which largely is the same color.
Here a drawing from "Die Uniformen der HJ" from 1933:
Thanks, Wilhelm! In any case, I learned a lot of new information.
But "the mystery of the black covers" remained unsolved
I do not understand, the "mystery of the black covers" remained unsolved.
The SS had black; the HJ had gray (grau). The Werkscharen der DAF had the
same color as HJ. The Waffen-SS had greyish felt. I cannot find the color for the NSKK
at this moment.
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