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Re: Relic M35 rust removal, electrolysis or oxalic acid?
Hi Yuengling,
No need to apologize, thats what this thread is for! You have a great helmet with alot of potential to clean up very nicely. I look forward to seeing your results and understanding the methods you've used to remove the rust.
If my second shipment of oxalic is refused through the post then i'll try the BKF also and see if that gets through so good luck with your lid and please keep us posted.
BTW if anyone else has tips, hints, before and after shots etc then i'd love to see and hear about your experiences.
Glenn
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12-22-2010 06:19 AM
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Re: Relic M35 rust removal, electrolysis or oxalic acid?
10 years ago I bought uncleaned Fallschirmjäger helmet from Leningrad region, it was one of the first helmets cleaned with oxalic acid, but this acid makes decals softer, so I washed off perfect luftwaffe eage from that helmet.
Be careful with decals, after drying they again become hard, but in acid they are soft, better don't touch them at all.
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Re: Relic M35 rust removal, electrolysis or oxalic acid?
A good tip! Thank you, I will be careful.
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Re: Relic M35 rust removal, electrolysis or oxalic acid?
OK, so i've completed the Oxalic acid cleaning process and the results and a comparison with before and after shots will be posted shortly.
I think this will provide a good example of what the acid can and can't do and will hopefully assist others with making the decision to try the method or leave well enough alone.
Points to note:
1) The process took longer than I thought it would. 24 hours and a higher acid concentration than some had advised.
2) The heavier rust was still difficult to remove and required some 'persuasion' with a scewdriver which was difficult to use only on the rust chunks and not against the surface of the helmet itself.
3) The remaining original paint DID lighten up although maybe that can be darkened again with some renaissance wax or something similar.
4) Sponging the acid on was never going to work, a tough kitchen scourer (the green pad type) was used as well as lots of the steel wool (the ones with the soap inside)
Was it worth it? See below and make up your minds and please feel free to comment. This was a great learning experience and I hope others will benefit from my efforts.
Cheers
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Re: Relic M35 rust removal, electrolysis or oxalic acid?
Too mutch time in acid, acid only makes rust softer, don't use steel wool it takes of paint.
I use solution of half glass of acid to bucket of water and clean off rust every 15 minutes, all process is some 2-3 hours, not more, after it all I put helmet in solution of Na2CO3 for 10 minutes to neutralize acid and take off salts if they appear.
For cleaning I use old knife and green pad for light rust. I will show them a bit later.
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Re: Relic M35 rust removal, electrolysis or oxalic acid?
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Too mutch time in acid, acid only makes rust softer, don't use steel wool it takes of paint.
I use solution of half glass of acid to bucket of water and clean off rust every 15 minutes, all process is some 2-3 hours, not more, after it all I put helmet in solution of Na2CO3 for 10 minutes to neutralize acid and take off salts if they appear.
For cleaning I use old knife and green pad for light rust. I will show them a bit later.
I first mixed 100g of oxalic and soaked the helmet for 10 minutes and then tried scrubbing at the rust but nothing moved...I waited another 15 minutes then tried again, again nothing. I kept going back every 15 minutes for 2 hours before it started getting dark so I added another 100g of oxalic and some more hot water (there was total 12-13 liters of water in the bucket) and left it overnight. I had to go to work the next day so the helmet soaked for 24 hours but even then the rust was difficult to remove. I used some NaHCO3 on the helmet at the end to remove the oxalic salts but it was only a quick rinse, I probably should have given it a soak for a few minutes as you suggest.
I was happy to see the decal and owners name come up and if I can darken the paint with wax or oil then I think I'll be happy with the outcome. I was thinking about putting a repo liner in but have decided against it seeing as the helmet is now nice and clean and is actually allowed in the house now!
I hope my efforts have shown what to expect to anyone thinking of trying this method. Pluses: Rust is mostly removed and decals/names may come up clearer. Minuses: Discoloration and loss of paint.
So the choice is yours to make, risk paint loss and lightening of colour in order to remove rust and perhaps bring up a decal or two.
Would I do it again? Yes. Would I use steel wool? No.
Cheers
Glenn
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