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06-24-2009 03:48 AM
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Re: My Cap Star Collection So Far
Hi Steve, see my other answer to your questions in your other thread on this purse.
Cheers, Ade.
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Re: My Cap Star Collection So Far
Nice stars you have! Also I'am vondering abouth the Ukrainian tridient, any history with it?
Regards,
Dimas
my Skype: warrelics
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Re: My Cap Star Collection So Far
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Re: My Cap Star Collection So Far
I would say all of the stars is nice. Ukraina was a part of Soviet union, but tridient is a national symbol, and cannot be used in that time, Only in German side or in any kind of national formations.
Regards,
Dimas
my Skype: warrelics
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Re: My Cap Star Collection So Far
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Adrian Stevenson
Hi Steve, see my other answer to your questions in your other thread on this purse.
Cheers, Ade.
AhHa, I see, (maybe ) it was the Ukraine SSR, under Soviet control?? Too confusing. I thought in Russia? in WWII, all the same under Stalin. Very complex CCCP, USSR, Soviet, Russian, Ukrainian....... My Tokarev says CCCP on the grips. Is it Russian, or Soviet? What's with the Trident pin, is it military related?
You need to explain my mistake, and explain better what you are speaking of. I am dummy. Me do not know Ukrainian socialists.
Regards, Steve
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Re: My Cap Star Collection So Far
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Dimas
I would say all of the stars is nice. Ukraina was a part of Soviet union, but tridient is a national symbol, and cannot be used in that time, Only in German side or in any kind of national formations.
Hi Dimas, I do not understand. "Only in German side or in any kind of national formations"
Is the Ukrainian pin from the same time period, WW2, as the other items on the coin purse? It looks to have been there as long as the other rank bars, stars etc. Do you know what the crowns are, or can you find out? Maybe another member will know about crowns too.
Thanks. Regards, Steve
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Re: My Cap Star Collection So Far
Hi Steve, here goes your first history lesson. Take notes, as there will be questions afterwards
Calling the Soviet Union "Russia" is really a common misconception in the West. The USSR was made up of 11 separate National Republics during WW2. Russia was, of course, the largest and the dominant one. But any kind of Nationalist sentiment was deemed "anti Soviet" and would land you in big trouble. The Ukraine suffered very badly in the 1930's under Stalin and once the German invasion took place various Nationalist groups sprang up. They misplacenly thought the Germans were "liberators". The Ukrainians were truly stuck between "a rock and a hard place". On one hand the Soviets and the repressive Stalinist regime or the Germans who treated them with a mixture of either contempt or badly handled "support". The Nazis had no plans for a Free Ukraine and support for Nationalist groups were really only given due to expediency, ie they needed the men as the tide of the war changed.
Does that help?
Your pin would have been worn by someone who was pro Nationalist and so would have been pro German as a result.
Cheers, Ade.
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Re: My Cap Star Collection So Far
Hi Ade, thanks, Yes that helps. But why is the pin on the side with the LW soldiers enemies pins, the "Soviet" pins ( is that correct, Soviet? )
If he was maybe on the side of the Germans as you say, the pin seems out of place.
When I say I have a Russian RGD-33 or a Russian Tokarev, this is the wrong terminology? I should be saying Soviet pistol and grenades? I have always used both for describing my WW2 items. I would like to be correct after collecting 35 years.
What about these 2 Crowns, no definitive answer on those?? Maybe someone will ring in. I would like to know where they are from.
Regards, Steve
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Re: My Cap Star Collection So Far
I think the soldier simply put them on as souvenirs without any kind of thought to who's side they were from. Hence the mixture.
Yes, I would always go with "Soviet" as the correct terminology. At our living history events people always call us "the Russians". We try to educate them otherwise. In fact, my alter ego is based upon someone from Byelorussia (Modern day Belarus).
Try and research Denmark as a possible source for the crowns.
I am answering you in three threads about this item
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