Real or Fake RECHT en TROUW Belt buckle

**klinger** · 07-31-2010, 02:35 AM

by lach470

For me - it's the general construction of the buckle. The tips of the prongs look like the repro prongs. I don't think the RZM markings should be there (could be wrong on that one though) and the Ges.Gesch don't look right either.
The biggest giveaway is that originals have a seperate roundel that is affixed to the box - they are not "stamped" like this example as Guido has mentioned. I thought I had seen originals that were stamped....but I'm not so sure now...

Hope that helps. Nothing wrong with wanting to wear it though - and it's the thought that counts in regards to getting such a nice gift.

thanks mate

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 07-31-2010 02:35 AM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**David North** · 07-31-2010, 06:46 AM

Here are images of the two most "common" Recht en Trouw buckles and I am sure that a one piece stamped variation exists also. In my opinion, the one shown by Klinger is a fake and which is a type having been known for many years - without any stamped markings. It would appear that the fakes are now available with bogus and nonsensical marks.

These images have been "extracted" from a post that Marc Verstraete van der Weyer made on another forum. I will drop a line to Marc and if for whatever reason he objects to their use, I will delete them.

Regards,

David

**Ben Evans** · 07-31-2010, 08:22 AM

by klinger

ok but what is wrong, please let me know, i know not all written in books is real, but in one book i found a stamped one like mine, thats why im still asking, it dose not mean that i dont appreciate all your oppinions but i like to know a bit more about this type of buckle

The box of the buckle is a standard one they use for various fakes, look at the crimping on the sides, very pronounced and typical of these fakes. The catch is wrong, as are the prongs. Look at the buckle and compare it to one of the steel SS fakes, there are lots in the SS fake thread, you then look at these and learn what separates good from bad. Do not despair if you keep looking you will learn

**Ben Evans** · 07-31-2010, 08:24 AM

Klinger, have a good read of this thread, it may help you a little

https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/belt-...-fakes-5102-2/

**Redgemak** · 07-31-2010, 10:17 AM

This buckle was for the flemish DM/ZB (not dutch) brigades, why should there be a RZM mark as these were made in belgium?

Jean

**Kurt D** · 07-31-2010, 11:58 AM

Just to chime in on the markings, the buckle being for a Flemish organisation, it certainly did not come under RZM control, and for the same reason there should not be any "ges. gesch." marking either as this, again, is purely German. Plus, the "SS" obviously intended to sex this thing up...
Best regards, Kurt

**Guido** · 07-31-2010, 02:54 PM

Again, I do not know original die stamped specimen of these buckles.

Here is my "belgian made" zinc buckle for comparison.

Please try further this side (under topic belt buckles):

http://www.military.be/web/en/index.htm

Regards,
Guido