Carl Ziess marked Zielvier telescopic sight for K98

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Guys, I saw this item at a friends home yesterday. He has already purchased it. The pics were taken indoors last night, so are not perfect.

He is not a forum member but I have said I would post it here for opinions. I have given him my thoughts. He would welcome more opinions please on both the scope and mounts. Note the sight picture and cross hairs, etc.

Thanks.

Cheers, Ade.

[lebus12]

Ade,
This is the Long Side Rail System for the ZF, like a ZF 39, but this optic seems to be civilian, without code. (dow...)
Other thing : i don't see the number of the weapon.
Cheers,
Michel

[Adrian Stevenson]

Thanks Michel. There is no serial number for the weapon on it.

Cheers, Ade.

[lebus12]

If you want scans tomarrow...
Cheers
Michel

[lebus12]

I ask if it's a good one...

[lebus12]

Mauser 98K Unofficial Web Site.

[Ostm63]

Based on the serialnumber of the scope in question it was produced prewar (early 30s)
Wartime scopes are in the range of 75000-80000

[lebus12]

Germany (3) - A.A.S.

i don't see this mount on the site but he can make all you want.

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Guys, thanks for the replies.

Fake scopes and mounts can be bought here:

World War II Scope&Mount Reproduction

I did not want to post my opinion about this item in my original post in case it might influence peoples replies about it.

To be honest, I don't like it. The cross hairs are out of alignment. Look at the left horizontal one: it is higher than the right and they are all fuzzy in appearance. The small locking knob on the top of the scope is also not straight. I thought that the wear looked very forced. Something which can be transmitted by a photo is the smell of the scope. I thought it smelt of new gun bluing compound.

I know repros of these scopes are made. Search ZF39 scopes. Early ones seem to have the Carl Ziess name: later fakes just have the town name of Jena. No doubt so they do not fall foul of copyrite laws. The scope does not match the repo in the link I posted. But a French forum I found had a post about these out of line cross hairs and someone said these are fakes.

The scope came mounted on a deact K98. This I can tell you was a total "bitsa" (made of parts) with nothing matching. And being a late 30's gun with wartime laminate stock, pressed bands, sight hood etc. The scope did not sit right on the gun and very slightly sloped upwards.

My friend paid £1000 for the rifle and scope.

Cheers, Ade.

PS: More opinions would be most welcome!

[Richard_J]

Just from the cross hairs I would be very suspicious, not what I would expect from a quality manufacturer...........
Think I would be asking for a full or partial refund.