heres a conundrom

[ian]

i have bin stuying the laws as they stand on deac s

take my bren gun
the deac cert is made out to the serial no on the reciever
the barrel , bolt and bolt carrier all have different serial nos
but it is classed as deac
however you are not allowed to own a component part of a section 5 fire arm without the correct certificate BUT
if i strip down my bren and put to one side the barrel bolt and bolt carrier what am i left with
well first a but group no deac stamp on it and serial no not on the deac cert
next the reciever serial no on the deac cert but no deac stamp
bipod no deac stamp
magazine no deac stamp

surely i am now in posetion of
5 component parts of a section 5 fire arm

plus a barrel with no deac cert and a bolt and bolt carrier vith no deac cert
and a reciever with a deac cert but it is not deactivated
lets see if we can work all that out

by the way my bren is a very early deac so the barrel comes off

[Reg]

Hi Ian

Interesting one! I suppose if you still cant shoot any ammo through it, it is still de-activated and you would have to seriously annoy any PC willing to put that to the CPS. I wouldnt like to test that theory out though. Dont put your head over the sandbag is what Ild say.

Cheers
Reg

[ian]

yes Reg i agree, but arn't they tieing themselvs in knots

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Ian, don't get too concerned over hyperthetical situations.

Providing the relevent parts have been deactivated to the standards in effect at the time the certificate was issued, you have no problem.

Items like magazines have never been previously marked with the stamp. (But now if they are submitted with the gun, they will take out the follower, spring, etc)

In the past just recievers and barrels were marked.

Cheers, Ade.

[ian]

thanks Adrian
im not realy botherd by it at all
its just a subject that interests me a great deal
and i love a good debate

[Johnny-D]

Hi Ian,

I also collect deacts, and I've wondered about this sort of thing before, but the law is quite straight forward really.

A weapon is deactivated, and issued with a certificate. If the weapon is tampered with afterwards (a weld altered, or a bolt drilled), then the certificate is invalid, and you can be charged on firearm offences!

The same applies with swapping parts!

The police are very OTT with firearms! I have a friend who's been up on firearms offences because the police didn't have a clue what to do when they seen his guns, made worse by him not having the certificates to hand.

It took a firearms officer to individually check EVERY gun, before he was allowed the guns back. I think that he actually had one or two taken off him!

My advice mate... Don't even consider it! The risks are simply not worth the hassle!

Lee

[ian]

sorry dont consider what

[ian]

oh i think i see what your thinking
no a bren gun or others like it are on a bipod so they are deactivated diferently to hand held automatic guns even new spec guns on a bipod can be field stipped the only diference is the barrel on a new spec is welded to the reciever
thanks for your concern and advice though cheers ian

[Johnny-D]

Ian,

It's fairly obvious what I'm referring to! Please don't jump on the defensive!

You've posted an article about a very serious subject, with serious implications to anyone thinking of tampering with a deac. It's the responsibility of the forum to point out the consequences to anyone - not necessarily you - who's thinking of modifying a deac.

Lee

[ian]

hi Lee thanks for that mate mabe you should read the initial post again
mabe i didnt make it clear inof what i was on about
its not interfeering with it its just stripping it down