heres a conundrom

[gibba1008]

well its cheaper and easyer for our crims to go to manchester liverpool london and many other cyties and buy a live fire weapon right under the noeses of the police than it is for them to buy and try to convert a deac which is allmost imposable any way

Especially when the deacts are more expensive than the real ones!!

[ian]

its an upsidown country we live in but i love this country with all my heart and it hurts very much to have all this going on here
and not able to do a thing about it

[ian]

i also think that what i have bin saying about the section 5 parts still being part of the deacts could be used to great efect by any one facing fire arms charges in relation to deacs if they havnt tried to modify them that is
if they have then they have no defence

[gibba1008]

Its the same old story im afraid, the law abiding get punished by the legal system whilst the criminals get protected by it....

[ian]

hehe back to trotski again oh well one day the country will wake up
ill just cary on with life and chunter quietly in the corner
and hide my stuff

[ian]

the trotski bit was refering to something that was dicused on a diferent thread yesterday

[m3bobby]

Ian, I too like to discuss such details, we need to protect our hobby, and I think knowing infomation is the best way. Perhaps every person who buys a deac should get a copy of the laws on deactivation so they know where they stand.

Obviously all our laws are ambiguous and are open to interpretation, and diferent people interprete things in diferent ways but the general beleif is that A component part in terms of Section 5, would be any pressure bearing part which is, in the case of the Bren, The barrel, Bolt, piston, and piston post, post 95 this also included the locking shoulder and flash hider. Other component parts arn't classed as Component parts under section 5.

Definition of a component part

13.70 The term “component part” may be
held to include (i) the barrel, chamber,
cylinder, (ii) frame, body or receiver, (iii)
breech, block, bolt or other mechanism for
containing the charge at the rear of the
chamber (iv), any other part of the firearm
upon which the pressure caused by firing the
weapon impinges directly. Magazines, sights
and furniture are not considered component
parts. The 9th Report of the Firearms
Consultative Committee provides additional
information on this subject.


Did you know that pre 1989 deactivated weapons, even with a certificate, arn't to home office regulations and are therefor not a "Definate defence to prosecution", they would technically classed as deactivated by other means. Don't worry though as I have a L1A1 and M1 Carbine deactivated in 1988 and a Bren deactivated in 1986 which have these types of deactivations and they have been checked by the police with no probs.

This is the section that defines the deact standards.

2.13 De-activation specifications were first
set by the Home Office in 1989. New
specifications came into force on 1 October
1995 but are not retrospective. Therefore, a
gun de-activated prior to 1 October 1995 to
the old specifications remains de-activated for
legal purposes.

This section defines how the Pre 89 deac weapons are covered.
2.14 The 1995 specifications encompassed a2.16 Section 8 of the 1988 Act is an
evidential provision and does not preclude
the possibility that a firearm which has
been de-activated in some other manner
may also have ceased to be a firearm within
the meaning of the 1968 Act.

[ian]

very good info thankyou the presure bearing bit is aspecialy interesting
that did not apear in the docs i was reading excelent thankyou

[m3bobby]

Heres some night time reading material for you if you have a general intrest in guns and shooting etc.

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publ...df?view=Binary

[ian]

yes great thanks and i love a good debate i just wish my speling were better cheers ian