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Ammo Box named to an SS Unterscharfuhrer

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    One thing that raises concerns is the abbreviation "Usch", as the official abbreviation of Unterscharführer was "Uscha". The "/" instead of an "-" in the rank designation is also odd.

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    forgive my opinion,as i am new here to collecting, but as a retired school teacher, the "scrawl" appears juvenial and done in felt tip pen,sorry

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    Hi Gentlemen

    I am not specialist, may be good or not ......
    Just to say that the black paint is very old and the box in very poor condition (the owner wanted to burn because many worm holes, i said him to keep and not to clean it) .

    Not from Normandy but from center of France. When i return there, i can make more pictures for you , from very near to see better and have the answer .

    Best regards from Paris

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    Quote by HPL2008 View Post
    One thing that raises concerns is the abbreviation "Usch", as the official abbreviation of Unterscharführer was "Uscha". The "/" instead of an "-" in the rank designation is also odd.
    Hi HPL2008

    I am not 100% sure , for example in SS rank abbreviations
    we have a list of abreviations, and you're right we find Uscha , not Usch.

    But we have also Rttf for SS-Rottenführer.

    Searching , i find this picture (here also, good or not, i can't say) . We see that it's not written Rttf but "ss-Rott". (page 1)
    And Rttfhr (page 2).

    We find also on this document, the use of the "/" instead of an "-" .

    Then, what can we say ? This paper is not good , or some differents ways to write the SS abreviations exist ?

    Joel

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    I have also found this picture of helmet (Usch)

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    An other example of the use of "/"



    Finally , if we forget the old box, can we confirm that different abbreviations were available for these SS ranks ? different from the official list.

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    Look these papers of the HJ division, the "SS". Not like on the box.

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    Quote by GEORGE View Post
    forgive my opinion,as i am new here to collecting, but as a retired school teacher, the "scrawl" appears juvenial and done in felt tip pen,sorry
    I have seen letters written home from British soldiers during the war, alot were not that well educated pre-war, by todays standards one would think they had been written by children

    Looks like a small paint brush to me, the thickness and density of the writing varies and is not uniform, the two 1's are written in an Eastern European style, the Poles and the Bulgarians do their " 1s " like that, I have just had two Christmas cards, my address is number 11, i assume german 1's are written the same ?

    I do not feel its been written by a french hand

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    Quote by kz11gr View Post
    We find also on this document, the use of the "/" instead of an "-"
    Sorry, but no: We don't. Please note that I was referring to the "/" in the rank designation ("SS/Usch"), not the unit designation (where its use is correct).

    I agree that it is possible that unoffical or incorrect abbreviations were used by individuals, but please note also that I did not make a definitive claim about the originality of the item; I wrote that these things raise concerns.

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    Quote by HPL2008 View Post
    Sorry, but no: We don't. Please note that I was referring to the "/" in the rank designation ("SS/Usch"), not the unit designation (where its use is correct).

    I agree that it is possible that unoffical or incorrect abbreviations were used by individuals, but please note also that I did not make a definitive claim about the originality of the item; I wrote that these things raise concerns.
    Ok HPL2008, thank you for your answer .

    My fault, i had misunderstood your sentence

    The box is not important, we can forgive it, just the text is important.

    i'll try to find some examples of SS / rank .

    For the usch / uscha you have seen that it was possible (if the helm paint is original)

    Best regards from France , MFG

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    If you want, I can put the box on a French militaria site like DMF, or MC3...

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    Quote by lebus12 View Post
    If you want, I can put the box on a French militaria site like DMF, or MC3...
    Merci lebus12

    ça ne sera pas la peine, je connais ces sites , mais je préfère rester avec nos camarades "hors hexagone".

    Amicalement

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