German shovel and carrier??

[williamsong]

Hi all!! it's been a lon time since i'm looking for a german shovel and carrier for my German mannequin, and i have seen this one, the shovel itself looks german (because of the welding) and the carrer maybe it's. It's not the classic and more expensive model, but looks "old". So i need your opinions on both, shovel and carrier. Original period made for the Wehrmacht soldier or not?

Thank you very much!!

[Danmark]

The "textbook" type is the closed back style but i have read/been told that these "open" ones could be pre-war or occupied countries production. You see them with stitched or riveted straps too. Ok for an impression as you dont see the open back.

Dan

[williamsong]

Thanks Dan! Then if you don't see any red flag i will go for this one. "Textbook" closed back style are way to expensive for me in comparison with this one, and i can "complete" my mannequin with this shovel and carrier, so no doubt! Thanks!

[JPhilip]

these "open" ones could be pre-war or occupied countries production

Hello,
WWI, occupied countries stock or postwar...
Thanks

[williamsong]

Hello,
WWI, occupied countries stock or postwar...
Thanks

Hello! so they where used by Wehrmacht soldiers during ww2 or not? is suitable for a ww2 wh display?
Thanks!

[JPhilip]

is suitable for a ww2 wh display?

Hello,
In my opinion, the carrier is not suitable for a WWII german soldier display...the shovel is...
Thanks

[MP44tom]

I agree, not suitable for a wwII display... carrier could even be DDR

Tom

[williamsong]

Damn! Thank guys! i was looking for a "cheaper" version of the shovel carrier with the close back style, clasic text book examples, but it's hard because i don't know what model could be occupied countries "war time" manufactured and which one don't.

Is there any reference book, web, or place where i can find info about them? Just to not come back in a few days with another shovel carriers and ask again the same question. (I have seen Tom site, but only have the "official" entrenching tool carrier with blose back style, i also have seen other threads here but it's confusing).

Thank you so much guys!

[MP44tom]

Hi,

If you want a cheap(er) solution, then go for an austrian or czech shovel..... these were used by german troops as well.......

Tom

[williamsong]

I have just seen this photos in the book "German Combat Equipments 1939-45" and looks like the carrier that i have been offer. So could be a chance for the carrier to be original? is the book wrong, or they are not the same model?
Thanks!