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Hi, I would like to find out if anyone can be of some help, identifying

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    Hi,

    I would like to find out if anyone can be of some help, identifying my K98. I know it is a Saur and Son Suhl, but is it LuftWaffe stamps that it carries on both left and right side ?

    It is all matching except the front barrel-band
    There is no rust on it and the barrel is in reasonable good condition.



    What will be the stimated value ?

    I like to shoot it, but it kicks like a horse. I also have a US m1 carbine and a P08.

    Thanks in advance
    Shed
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    Hi
    Well first of all welcome to the forum these arent really my area but its a very nice example and it must be great to go out and fire a piece of history

    Thanks

    Danny

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    Hi Shed:
    Very nice looking 98k!! I can't see any Luftwaffe markings
    on the rifle from the photos you provided. Perhaps, you are
    confusing the early Wimerian Eagle firing proofs on the
    barrel and receiver for Luftwaffe Eagles? If you look on
    the right side of the stock just below the firing pin disassembly
    "tube/washer" it should have a Wimerian eagle with a
    H for army or L for Luftwaffe or M for Kreigsmarine just
    below it. If you could provide a picture of that area it
    would clear things up.
    Tks,
    Bob

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    It's strange to see a K98 made in 1937, bearing the Weimar Republic eagle. Most of the military items after 1934, espcially rifles had third reich markings this late.

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    These are considered Transitional proofs....BILL
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    Hi Sitges and Bill:
    I pulled some of my 98's out of the safe to check and
    my S/42 1937 has Wimerian proofs on barrel and receiver,
    also my 243/1937. I have a JP Sauer 1938 that has the
    Wimerian proofs on barrel and receiver but my Mauser
    Oberndorf 1938 has the "straight wing" (Third Reich)
    eagles. Maybe JP Sauer was a little slow in adopting the
    "new" eagle proofs?
    Tks,
    Bob

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    Thanks Bob, that's definitely why I'm here, always something new to learn! Take care.

    Jay

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    As an example the two lugers below are 1937 and 1938 dated.

    This might show the marking transition.

    These two Lugers represent the change from droop wing to stick wing acceptance stamps on Mauser Lugers:

    Droop Wing Eagle=DE, Stick Wing Eagle =SE, Mid Test Proof=MTP.


    The 1937 dated gun sn. 3271x is acceptance stamped DE/63, DE/63; and mid eagle test proofed. (Top photo.)


    The 1938 dated gun shows the transition. sn 7289i, SE/63 SE63 MTP (Bottom photo.)


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    Quote by bob32268 View Post
    Hi Shed:
    Very nice looking 98k!! I can't see any Luftwaffe markings
    on the rifle from the photos you provided. Perhaps, you are
    confusing the early Wimerian Eagle firing proofs on the
    barrel and receiver for Luftwaffe Eagles? If you look on
    the right side of the stock just below the firing pin disassembly
    "tube/washer" it should have a Wimerian eagle with a
    H for army or L for Luftwaffe or M for Kreigsmarine just
    below it. If you could provide a picture of that area it
    would clear things up.
    Tks,
    Bob
    Hi Bob,

    Thanks. I have looked in that area, but maybe my eys are tired or it is very very faint. I can see something but not fgure out what it is. I will have to get a pair og magnifying glasses.

    I will post some picture of my other items.

    brgds
    Shed

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    Quote by bob32268 View Post
    Hi Shed:
    Very nice looking 98k!! I can't see any Luftwaffe markings
    on the rifle from the photos you provided. Perhaps, you are
    confusing the early Wimerian Eagle firing proofs on the
    barrel and receiver for Luftwaffe Eagles? If you look on
    the right side of the stock just below the firing pin disassembly
    "tube/washer" it should have a Wimerian eagle with a
    H for army or L for Luftwaffe or M for Kreigsmarine just
    below it. If you could provide a picture of that area it
    would clear things up.
    Tks,
    Bob
    Hi,

    Have looked carefully and found what looks to be an eagle with down-swept wings and an H ( looks like it is somewhat curved )
    So this means HEER and not LUFTWAFFE. Thanks for Yor help.

    brgds
    Shed

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